Watch Your Mouth!: Sophomore Year (3/17) - Day 5 - Planters (Mafia) Win!

[ChopChop]

@PokemonKidRyan

Seth, stop posting this

Spin me right around!

[ChopChop]

You know what, I’ll look at the low posters to see if I can get an auto lock on em.

[ChopChop]

@an_gorta_pratai

I uh also don’t like Eli and Mole so far

Explain!

@an_gorta_pratai

@Marshal

I didn’t think wolf!gorta would pursue a push and look for quotes because I don’t think he’d be comfortable pushing a genuine case on myself out of respect/fear for my v game.

Listen, I have pursued pushes on players like Arete and Alice before, so I don’t think I would be afraid to push a case on you as a wolf because I can replicate my town game pretty good.

@Marshal

meh

he’s tonally at least somewhat similar in other wolfgames

I maintain that he is still villagery but w/e i’m not locking this in yet

I am the type that can replicate my town game as scum, which is why I wonder why I am in the never convert pool. I still think I do have towntells, but even I don’t know quite what they are. I am more likely to make mistakes as a wolf, as you probably know.

@Trochilidae

chili is a god tier poet first of all
also, i’m tempted to read marshal as V simply due to the fact that i can’t see why scum would put in this much effort to ensure town safety.

You don’t read Marshal on that. Scum Marshal can lead the town just as good as town Marshal and he is usually invested as either alignment.

@Insanity

That doesn’t seems very town motivated in response to Marshal’s post

I mean I would rather not die, but I will not only use words from a pre determined list in order to save my rear end.

@Whysper

This makes me think Esquiddy isn’t very new. How can he say that Derps is always suspicious?

I think they did spectate a game or so and Derps is usually slightly suspicious unless you know how to read him.

@Whysper

Also, Derps seems to be on a few lists for hard-to-read. So I think he might easily be put in the PoE.

I’ll take a look at him

@SirDerpsAlot

this is not

i repeat not a good way to read marshal

or anyone really (unless they have an explicit meta)

This is exactly it. Meta reads = bad except if it’s for a few people here

@Whysper

In particular, I think it is excellent to question the mutual town-coring between Marshal and Alice

I couldn’t agree more with this, as people usually put someone like Alice or Marshal in towncores and then let them dictate the flow of the thread. They also never question things and let this happen, so it’s healthy to encourage skepticism surrounding Alice’s and Marshal’s slot. Don’t automatically SR them, but think for yourself instead of letting people like Alice or Marshal think for you

@Alice

Also I’m fairly uneasy on how Whysper has spent much of the game casting doubt and trying to negate other peoples’ townreads rather than solve slots for herself tbh.

I will have to take a look at Whysper, but I don’t think her suspicion of you is scum indicative. Not solving and strictly shading might be something to look for, but questioning the main town people isn’t a bad thing

This is good. Still not directly AI but it seems to be more from a Town Mindset then a Scum Mindset. Not sold on this being Town yet.

@an_gorta_pratai

My main goals for today are

1. look at Marshal’s previous scum games

2. quickly ISO Derps

3. look at Mole (I think Mole is in his scum meta now)

4. take a peek at Whysper and Eli

I want people to hold me to these things. It’s a list of things that’s pretty easy to do and I often get lazy, so that’s why I want people to hold me to these goals

@an_gorta_pratai
Do Em Goals!

@an_gorta_pratai

Like I don’t fully use meta, but I use it as something to supplement my reads

Well yes that’s the correct way to use meta.

[EliThePsycho]

as it turns out
i will be there for EoD
aight gotta go again

[ChopChop]

@Insanity

Marshal and you seems town motivated, while Surge just doesn’t have the tone that he have when he were scum.

I mean well, if you don’t die before D3, then we are heccing lynching you

I’d agree with this last statement lol.

@Insanity

I mean someone could be coaching him/her rn about who is the common ML target, so there is that.

Good Mindset.
Still not AI though.

@Insanity

It means contributing to the thread

Lol.

@Insanity

Well, technically not “FPS”, but rather nonoptimal or strange play.

But yeah, I still think he is town here based on his tone and what not.

Haven’t read him yet but I probably won’t as Derps is Derps and his alignment is Derps.

@Insanity

On a second thought I backtrack what I said.

They are not actually really interacting much, I just fill out the blank for some reason and thought they are arguing against each other .-.

But I still somewhat believe that one of them might be scum here.

I do like this post but it’s still not AI.

[Alice]

…these kind of reads usually suck as it doesn’t take in mind why or how a player did something and whatnot.

[Alice]

@Moleland

This interaction feels natural.

…what? Go more in-depth? Wolves can make natural interactions as well.

[ChopChop]

@Appelsiini

Or we can make all words be <4 letters if possible

Lol

@Appelsiini

Rhyming is fun
I don’t know how to rhyme
But losing your life is def not fun
Oranges

Ok.

@Appelsiini

You are good with words, unlike me
But won’t that make it harder
To not get blown up
Mandarins

Yeah like Fruit?

@Appelsiini

@Alice

…this isn’t LAMIST.

LAMIST is effectively a player repeatedly pointing out the villagery things they’ve done for little to no reason, such as a wolf repeatedly pointing out that they pushed on a flipped wolf in order to emphasize their towncred.

…Alright. Let me rephrase that.
“Alice starts the game by talking about how she’s a villager and therefore going to die N1 because SPK. I don’t remember them doing that in Wild West, but then again, they were on an alt so it’s excusable.”

@Alice

Because wolves are always under pressure to make villagery posts since they have TMI, so in the end their posts tend to be stilted or tense. Trochi doesn’t shows these signs in her posts.

Considering Chili’s character, this is actually fair enough. I’d be in quite a pinch if I didn’t play Among Us with you all regularly.

@Alice

Before I said it as I don’t think W!Marshal would want to stop me from hyperposting, now I think he’s V from a mixture of the paranoia he has towards me slot

…This is a level 1 read. I didn’t want town to stop detonating each other in SFV either. I don’t remember being in a same game with Marshal, what’s his meta like?
Also, could you quote some posts that show his paranoia? Shoving you in fringe-towncore doesn’t seem like paranoia to me.

@Alice

I thought Appel’s reads were kind of bad,

angry citrus noises

I like this thought Process but I don’t see any tone tell yet. There not easy to find but when you find them you know I’ll tell you that!

@Appelsiini

Marshal and Alice are both very inconfident in Derps’ slot, I’m just going to note that down. No idea what to conclude from it yet, I’ll focus on it later.

Another good Thought Process.

@Appelsiini

Alice, a question I should’ve asked earlier.

@Alice

I thought Appel’s reads were kind of bad

Why?

Lol. Most of Appel’s reads were about Alice. Not a good look for Alice IMO.

@Appelsiini

Actually no

My conclusion was “Alice is an experienced player, she wouldn’t do this as a wolf.” But then again;
“Alice is an experienced player. Would she do this as a town?” The answer’s also no.

Alice is Alice as Derps is Derps.
They are the same but on the opposite Spectrum.
Derps is usually a SR and Alice is usually a TR regardless of alignment.

@Appelsiini

…Bleh. You might be right.
I’m still keeping an eye on her, but I’ll just continue doing what I’ve been doing with Wazza etc. If she doesn’t get better in my eyes, I’ll do a case on her before EoD. How much time do we have?

This is good. Yeah I like this for a TR. not 100% confident but I do like this slot.

@Appelsiini

@Marshal

Derps
Whysper
PKR
Mole
Insanity
Luxy
Esquiddy

What’s your read on Whysper and Insanity?

In the potential probability of Marshal and Alice being Wolves together. Your doing a great job giving them something to go against.
I’m usually afraid of situations like that as I want someone to be able to be on their level and I feel you can do that so I want to defend you and make sure you don’t get ML’ed.

[ChopChop]

So
Insanity and Gorta - NullTown
Appel - Slightly Above Town Lean into a Town Read

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Luxy

I expect townies to be on a similar wavelength to myself and he is just… not

No, townies can disagree and be on different wavelengths.

@Marshal

luxy can you do me a favor and read whysper’s ISO in SFoL 63.

She was town and i’ll link to her first post for ease as ISO is more difficult with 10,000+ posts

I would say “yeah do that, but also Wild West FM is a thing”. It might be worthwhile to compare those two games though

@ChopChop

Explain!

sure, I plan to ISO them both

@Alice

…these kind of reads usually suck as it doesn’t take in mind why or how a player did something and whatnot.

I notice patterns and read people based on tone

[an_gorta_pratai]

Anyway, when I get back from playing among us I plan to finish those goals

[ChopChop]

Feel like Gorta could be a potential ML here that could be set up by Scum!Alice if Alice is Scum this game.
So just like Appel I’ll also be watching you Alice.

[Alice]

@Moleland

What’s your conclusion on his alignment from this read?

Literally none as that could just be a playstyle shift. It’s just that Derps is the kind of player to just tunnel people on gut rather than try to reason like this and why I wanted more info before sorting him out of the nullzone.

[Alice]

…how the fuck am I setting gorta to be a ML when I’m townreading them?

[ChopChop]

Well I haven’t read much into you so I don’t know who your reading as Town or Scum.
But I’m still going to be observing you missy.

[ChopChop]

@Alice

@Moleland

What’s your conclusion on his alignment from this read?

Literally none as that could just be a playstyle shift. It’s just that Derps is the kind of player to just tunnel people on gut rather than try to reason like this and why I wanted more info before sorting him out of the nullzone.

I do like this post.
But “Alice”.

[ChopChop]

Alice gets no clears unless it’s a tone clear by myself.

[ChopChop]

GL with that BTW Alice.
Because I don’t be wrong on Tone Clears and it isn’t something you can just do intentionally.

[Alice]

@Luxy

It was incorrect scumreads which got the game stuff up.

And the villas who just gave up and self-voted, and the non-stop hero shooting, and the…

[Alice]

@Luxy

More performative questioning.

Can’t disagree here.

@Luxy

Ditto

Looks more to me that Whysper’s kind of trying to negate the early townreads by casting Esquiddy as a more experienced player that the look, tbh.

@Luxy

Why are we looking for deepwolves this early on?

@Luxy

Doubt on the towncore, doubt on the towncore

I loathe those posts, but unfortunately people here have been casting doubt on towncores a lot non-stop lately.

What settles my wolfread here is that the language that Whysper is using here as in “I think it is excellent to question the mutual town-coring between Marshal and Alice” makes it look like she’s not trying to solve and more like she’s trying to influence an agenda. Also she doesn’t really explain why this towncoring is bad.