Watch Your Mouth!: Sophomore Year (3/17) - Day 5 - Planters (Mafia) Win!

[Luxy]

@Whysper

I’m not sure that I’d read it that way. Could also be an attempt to question why Derps would be out of the PoE. I’d say NAI.

@Whysper

In particular, I think it is excellent to question the mutual town-coring between Marshal and Alice

@Whysper

Yes, I currently still have Marshal and Alice as probably town, but I don’t want to be complacent about that. There’s still the chance for a deep wolf.

I really don’t like her explanation for it either as I spoke about earlier:[quote=“Luxy, post:776, topic:83624, full:true”]
Whysper has spent a lot of time trying to stop townreads/clears from occurring by throwing doubt on a significant number of them, and her explanation doesn’t make sense either:

@Whysper

Let’s just say that I feel uneasy from my past game experience with the tendency for people to be so sure of their reads on people as town and where that ends up hurting town. And I’m also uneasy with how those same people will be resistant to any questioning of the status quo as appears to be happening here.

I actually treasure my wolf game experience in Wild West not simply for the win, but even more so for the wonderful insight it gives on people and their thought processes. It’s fascinating to see first hand where people are going off the trails in their reasoning and assumptions.

So I am not attempting to derail things but simply to make sure we keep an open mind. I do not have any strong scum reads at this point, but slowly I’m seeing some people move out of null range into town lean or town read for me. However, I’m keeping my eye out for signs of people possibly mistakenly identified as town based on meta. Please don’t attempt to stifle such open-mindedness.

She says that people were too sure of their reads and this is why she wants to throw doubt on them, but is throwing doubt on Townreads, not Scumreads. In Wild West, the townreads were completely correct (Except centuries who snuck in after the initial towncore was formed) there just weren’t enough townies clearing themselves. It was incorrect scumreads which got the game stuff up.

I really just think she’s lying tbh
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Theres something about her ISO that makes it feel a lot longer than it is it’s weird af

[Wazza]

Okay, but I’m sure you have more of a reason to scumread them now that isn’t that one post.

[Luxy]

Well yeah I made an entire ISO and like 2 points were defused by Marshal but there are others including the TR discrediting and her explanation about it.

I still feel she’s being performative but it is apparently within her meta to do that

[Luxy]

Anyway in regards to Appel shes made 3 solving and 3 discreditting posts so the jury is out on that

It does seem that there are barely any people acting overtly scummy this game so maybe it just is Mole

[Luxy]

@Luxy

Appel shes

Apple, Whysper has EBWOP

[Luxy]

If anything, the worst evidence of this is actually by meta as she’s done less solving here than in the previous FoLs she was in.

[Appelsiini]

@Whysper

I’m not sure that I’d read it that way. Could also be an attempt to question why Derps would be out of the PoE. I’d say NAI.

She townleaned Derps later.

@Whysper

In particular, I think it is excellent to question the mutual town-coring between Marshal and Alice

I don’t see this as wolf-AI; but yes, this is objectively speaking “trying to stop a clear from happening.” What are your reads on those two? Do you think they should be cleared now, or should’ve been cleared that early in the game where they were among the only ones that had a noticeable amount of content?

@Luxy

She says that people were too sure of their reads and this is why she wants to throw doubt on them, but is throwing doubt on Townreads, not Scumreads. In Wild West, the townreads were completely correct (Except centuries who snuck in after the initial towncore was formed) there just weren’t enough townies clearing themselves. It was incorrect scumreads which got the game stuff up.

I’ve almost completely wiped out Wild West from my memory, but from what I can remember, they spent more time coasting than shading townreads. Unless you’re directly comparing Whysper’s behavior, what good does it do to use that as an argument?

@Luxy

Anyway in regards to Appel shes made 3 solving and 3 discreditting posts so the jury is out on that

I’m putting pressure on people whose behavior I find odd, or whose reads I don’t agree with. Judge me. I’m probably going to write another readlist once this conversation is done with

[Appelsiini]

Also, it’d be worth to mention that I’m trying to lead town here. I declared this as I inned, and I declared it when I entered the thread. I’m trying to interact with people more rather than just staying on the sidelines and quietly talking about my reads: I need to be like this so that I can convince people. I’m trying my best.

[Luxy]

I think Marshal and Alice are town at this point in time.

Marshal is really the only person to actually contribute to the thread consistently and was responsible, alongside myself, for any actual spice to come to the thread.

I like Alice tonally now but I am not crossing her off the list.

I do not see them as teammates at this point in time.

[Luxy]

I was talking about Whysper with that post

[Appelsiini]

O, I see. You responded to the post talking about me so bleh

[Luxy]

@Appelsiini

I’ve almost completely wiped out Wild West from my memory, but from what I can remember, they spent more time coasting than shading townreads. Unless you’re directly comparing Whysper’s behavior, what good does it do to use that as an argument?

It’s not what she did there, its her reason for shading townreads here because people were too sure on their reads in Wild West which doesn’t make sense because in Wild West the reason town lost was the lack of townreads, not that the townreads were wrong.

[Luxy]

Lol I was talking about Whysper in both of those, when I said regards I mean in response to

[Appelsiini]

i’ll just

give headpats to myself

[Appelsiini]

Alright. This does make sense.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Moleland

Either death wish or TMI the explodey phrase.

@Moleland

@Moleland

… Please die

@Moleland

These meme posts are the common denominator in scum!mole worlds. Mole’s ISO is just sidelining, slight memeing, and small amounts of solving.

@Moleland

I was suspicious because the poetry was saying more words than needed as a “HaHa! I know the bomb word so I’ll say lots of stuff free” but actually, when I looked closer it was actually 1) Words they had said before or 2) words said before by someone else. So the poetry was just reckless/weird imo.

@Moleland

Before the bomb exploded, every word needed to be chosen with care. So by talking in verse, chili was taking a gamble… Or knew something we didn’t.

As I looked closer, I’m 90% the former

This is mole’s closest attempt at solving from what I can see. It is a decent thought, but I won’t clear Mole off of that. I have cleared mole on many other similar things in the past, but I think I am starting to understand mole.

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Conclusion
When mole is town he is usually solvier and sidelines less, while scum mole is the opposite. Scum mole is usually inactive,posts more fluff, and memes around more. I also think that Mole’s readlist seems slightly performative. This slot is very likely to flip wolf here

[an_gorta_pratai]

I will read Marshal’s scum games overnight, but I am going to sleep. If the later ISO’s seem like they have less effort into them that’s because I almost fell asleep writing that thing on Mole /vote Mole

[Whysper]

To correct you, both Centuries and Universal were consensus town for most if not all of the game. Also, I did not state anything about it being the sole or even main reason that town lost. There were a number of reasons for that, including mistakenly putting people in PoE. I just said it is something to keep an open mind about, which you seem highly resistant to.

[Luxy]

@Whysper

Centuries and Universal were consensus town for most if not all of the game

No cent snuck in after the towncore was formed day 1
Uni was PoE effectively the entire game, just top of PoE

@Whysper

Also, I did not state anything about it being the sole or even main reason that town lost. There were a number of reasons for that, including mistakenly putting people in PoE.

Neither of these make sense in terms of your explanation for you throwing doubt onto townreads

@Whysper

which you seem highly resistant to.

what?

[Whysper]

Earlier I also saw the strange posts by Mole, so going to place my vote now before I forget.

/vote Moleland @DatBird @Chloe