pretending to solve
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how does one solve with TMI
okay so disclaimer that Iâm not actually good at this, as anyone on this site whoâs actually good at reading me could tell you
but
the easiest way to start here in my opinion is to figure out how you want to be reading someone, like, what read on them it would benefit you to have (which doesnât have to be the same read youâd have if you were town, villagers donât know how youâd be reading other villagers as town) and then come up with reasons why that read is correct
this has the obvious drawback of looking kind of stilted but itâs better than literally just not having reads
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secondly:
on this site (and even on sites where the average skill level is higher) most people donât re-read as much as they should
and most people are lazy and donât want to spend a bunch of time Isoing someone with a lot of posts
this leads to people lazily townleaning people if theyâre posting a lot and their posts donât totally suck, despite the fact that everyone knows this is bad
you can use this to your advantage by making a lot of posts that donât totally suck, such that most people are like âyeah Eli I vaguely remember them saying something I liked and they have like 300 posts, I donât want to read all of those posts again, theyâre probably townâ
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thirdly
a lot of people on this site have literally no idea what things are townie and what things are wolfy
you can abuse this by specifically hitting notes that specific players are likely to find villagery, and avoiding things that are likely to ping them â for instance, Gorta townread Centuries in Wild West just for saying that maybe there was a wolf in the towncore, despite this not being an intrinsically villagery thing to do whatsoever, if e.g. Gorta is in the game you can get a bunch of townpoints from him just for posting vague platitudes that align with what he wants to hear (note: this is just an example, those specific statements may look wolfy to other people)
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(bonus fourth tip that mostly only applies to FoL and adjacent set-ups: if you are a wolf in FoL, you donât have TMI, any given player thatâs not one of your partners could be a neut or the NK, neut hunting is sometimes considered wolfy but if you donât say that youâre neut hunting and try to solve the other players for whether or no theyâre NK (but express it as âI think Arete is scum for X,â not âI think Arete is NK for Xâ) then you can have some relatively TMI-free solving.)
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hardclaim strongest town day 1 in game full of protection dodging scum
endgame on day 10
Like, problem here is that you literally canât have people like PKR not force-replaced as itâs unfair for the village if a villager doesnât post.
But if a weak and easily mislynched villa gets replaced by a strong player that can obvtown themselves like PKR, itâs unfair to wolves.
maybe weâre thinking about it wrong
regardless of how itâs handled, people joining games they donât actually want to play and then slanking drags down game quality
how do we orient peopleâs incentives so that theyâre less likely to join games in the first place unless theyâre actually going to play them
(or alternatively, so that even if they decide partway through that they donât want to play, they still actually participate and contribute)
Semi-serious suggestion.
Ban replacements, however at the end of the game there will be a Least Valuable Player vote. Whoever gets the most votes for LVP, gets sign-up banned for a week.
serious response to this not-very-serious suggestion:
Iâm worried that if we were to actually do that, it would lead to players who were trying to play the game, but were wrong a lot, being voted over people who just didnât bother to put in any effort and self-voted and ATEâd the moment someone pushed them
Issue here is that shit can happen after they signed up.
IIRC PKR was demotivated because after the game began he got into a fight with tardi, so there was no way that heâd see this coming.
I think ideally people would ⌠keep playing the game and contributing, even if theyâre not maximally enthusiastic about it?
like, if we take FoL 28, which is a fairly good example of a game where I played badly (both before and after conversion) due to external circumstances leading to me having no WiM for the game, I ⌠was still posting and contributing (postcount wise I was fourth although enough of that is lolcatting that Iâm hesitant to take it at face value)
and realistically PKR isnât the sort of person Iâm most concerned about here, like, if someone has one isolated incident like this itâs less of a big deal then if it happens every other game