Weekly Monday Discussion #4

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#102

i can agree with this most of the time

although chancellor can kind of work with wolves privately

and crusader can just become a wolf

but yeah

im being a smartass now

#103

Being a teamplayer has nothing to do with your alignment
Change my view

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#104

Scum know who they are and will almost always get best team player because they have a private chat to coordinate

#105

it kinda does, but it really depends on the role.

PKR for instance huge team player in fol 29. Wouldnt consider the same for the NK

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#106

MVP awards

sure

I jokingly argued I was MVP of both town and scum in FoL 25 because I solved the game for town (town MVP) and killed more town than anyone else (scum MVP)

but we arenā€™t talking about MVP awards, we are talking about teamwork awards.

#107

Town Criteria

How accurate were the playerā€™s reads? Did they re-evaluate upon incorrect reads?
How well did the player present themselves as a villager?
How well did the player do when convincing other people about their conclusions - and when casing someone?
How well did the player use VCA or NKA to back up their reads?
Did the player maintain a good and healthy attitude throughout the game?

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#108

I sorta think a teamwork award makes more sense for town than scum in all honesty

like, sometimes as scum your partners are just ā€¦ not really present, and I feel like this would make people more frustrated if e.g. they wound up bussing their scum partners and solocarrying, because thatā€™s not really an example of teamplay but itā€™s also not their fault

Iā€™m explaining that really badly

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#109

also this ^^^

which is why I think there should be 2 seperate awards per faction.

Encourage wolves to work with each other in scumchat and in game

and encourage townies to work with other people.

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#110

Neither of these are technically necessary and the VCA and NKA part should be taken out to say just how well did they back up their reads

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#111

VCA and NKA is inherently needed but it helps to cement reads, plus people should do it more, but thats just me

#112

What has correctness of your reads to do with this? Isnt that just a normal mvp?

#113

Alright

Next question:

Do we allow players to vote for themself?

#114

Some examples of highly valued aspects were influence over the thread, player process, keeping calm during stressful points, the ability to reevaluate if necessary, directly advancing their teamā€™s wincon, the accuracy of reads (as town), planning and directing teammates (as mafia), and so many others.

copypasting this from the S7 jury statement, I think a lot of these are Decent Criteria To Use and many of them are related to Being A Team Player

#115

No

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#116

depends it should probably be decided if its picked by host the players or both

#117

I would never vote for anyone else

I have a problem

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#118

also please ignore my vote in Chloeā€™s poll, I forgot that mods werenā€™t voting :^)

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#119

Likeā€¦ reading correctly is kinda necessary if you wanna winā€¦?

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#120

Iā€™m talking about townplay in general.

#121

I mean I donā€™t really like this in all honesty

itā€™s def not a teamwork award, and it will still usually end up favoring the alices and will still still probably make people prioritize hero-playing

take a look at FoL27

I was trying to get votes for champs and I wanted to really tryhard that game to prove I could play town well

it effected my play

and it might effect others

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