killing people is pretty toxic
@Netulven hey that was me, yes I was claiming knight to bait attacks and using pocket dimension to waste them (but I never actually got attacked for some reason)
i delayed the hunter because he died to bleed but still got executed because he didn’t confirm me until the very last second. I questioned OP’s English comprehension in that argument because he kept acting as if the reason I got executed was MY fault when it was obviously the hunter’s … To me he was clearly very intelligent and not trying to troll me on purpose, yet he kept talking over me as if I got executed for a legit reason so there must have been some extremely fundamental misunderstanding. That’s why I said that
It’s silly to say it’s because I didn’t post full logs, that would be an empty formality (or a worse-than-useless distraction) when the biggest proof that I’m chrono is the fact I literally just delayed someone who the day previous said they were dying that night to bleed.
Also I know you were trying to help me but it was very annoying because sadly your advice was just plain wrong and in effect blaming me for something that wasn’t my fault.
@PoisonedSquid hey that was me also lmao
To be honest I don’t really blame the OP for thinking that. One of the things that is a problem in social deduction games like ToL and ToS is how hard it is to explain your actions. You don’t have a lot of time to do that, and you have limited word space. Cuz of that, miscommunications happen like this.
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If I claim knight as Prince for the express purpose of dying, but I don’t die and I instead win, is it gamethrowing?
If you do it on the stand then yes
If you don’t, then still yes (because your intent was to lose), but it would be difficult or impossible to prove your intent
Let’s say that your intent is impossible to prove. Is it still gamethrowing nonetheless?
Do you know how the law works? If you murder someone and aren’t caught, are you still a murderer? Of course you are.
If you had the intention of losing, then you are a game thrower. Courts don’t decide whether or not you are innocent or guilty and the same as moderators. They decide whether or not they have enough evidence to convict you of a crime, because they can’t prove you didn’t do it or you wouldn’t be in the court anyway. There being no evidence of you killing someone doesn’t mean you didn’t kill someone.
You wouldn’t be banned if the case was a grey line, but you would be hard pressed to find a case where intention is impossible to prove.
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I love Jack the Ripper. There’s no evidence that any one person killed those people, yet there is clear evidence that they did.
If you intend to lose you are gamethrowing, regardless of your literal actions.
And likewise if you intend to win you are not gamethrowing, again regardless of your literal actions.
Didn’t read ~90 posts from others. Posting this after finishing reading the wall post OP.
My opinion of the guy: It sucks to play with the him, but reporting someone for claiming A while he was B is kinda too much for me. Perhaps it’s because I never had toxicity, but I don’t mind getting attacked personally. (Yes, I know this is sounds like I don’t have the right to say that since I don’t know how you feel, but I don’t have anything else to comfort you with.)
Note: Reporting for game throwing is too much for me, but you can still report him for being toxic if you feel that he’s crossed the line.
Uh not really I’ve had this arguement many times but fake claiming on stand isn’t game throwing it’s only game throwing for “TOL”
most social dudection games and fm wouldn’t class it as throwing, while I respect the rules of Tol game throwing isn’t fake claiming on stand as the good/town faction.
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Let’s take Looming Threat as an Example. You practically cannot claim ever as Prince/Justicar, and especially not on the stand (or theoretical stand, as there were no trials in that game)
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Yes TOL has the wrong use of game throwing
Game Throwing = Purposely trying to put your team at a disadvantage.
The rule claiming not being able to fake claim on trial has nothing to do with throwing it’s it own rule.
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Actually it’s just straight up not the rule.
If you actually check the rules it says nothing about fake claiming on the stand as BD. So it’s just straight up fine so long as it wouldn’t otherwise be breaking a rule (so it’s not that it’s always gamethrowing, it’s just that if you are gamethrowing then that’s one method you might use in order to lose).
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It’s a rule that is not even discussed really, but if you where to ask most guides, mods ect. They will say it’s a rule or apart of “Game throwing” (Which no it really isn’t game throwing)