"Whisper King Meta" Thread

I thought Apostle did, at least for Cult.

Well, I’m at a loss. Maybe people are simply MAKING it an issue. We could just ignore it.

Apostle isn’t a starting Cult Underling; I think it should be a starting cult, so the possibility of an Apostle starting is a deterrent to everyone who whispers the King on d2

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This is what I think is definitely the best solution. A big aspect of the Unseen’s playstyle, or at least its intended playstyle, is always having more information than the rest of the court. But right now, Unseen are actually pretty lacking in that department with how well BD are able to communicate with each other, between Prince, Psychic, whispers, and 80% BD king.
And this brings me to my next point, that the change from the “33/33/33 king setup” to the current one is definitely the root of the problem. But we can’t revert back to the old set up or anything near it because we’ll just return to

To get a guaranteed BD king. And not to mention the recent wave of trigger-happy butlers that will poison D2 at 10 seconds just to “confirm myself… oops BD king is dead, RIP sorry guys.” (On a side note, the D3 limit for butler poison really needs to be brought back).

My suggestion is removing the MM’s ability to see class-types, and in its place give MM a Maid Spy-esque ability for two targets. This way people will be a lot more cautious with what information they confidently give away to king. If this is implemented however, then Aristocrat will need some other support/social ability to help unseen instead of his own Maid Spy, as it will be obsolete compared to his MM.

You basically suggested to increace odds that King will side with BD from 80 to 90%.
I can hardly say it would fix anything.

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I think he meant 40% evil and 10% neut