D2 accusations are a good idea mathmatically.
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Scorned is literally better than Fool in every way, they both the same purpose (to make people doubt accusations) but Scorned does it better simply because you catch Scorneds in the same way as you catch evils in normal mafia; You judge the accusation based on interactions between the accuser and the acusee.
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Fool is a correct lynch. In almost all cases, lynching someone who is acting like scum is a good idea. Fool discourages scum-reading because, even though in practice Fools act differently to actual scum, in theory it should be too hard to scumread because someone might just be pretending to be scum. As such, it deincentivises scumreading.
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Fool makes people want to use the lynch less, which imo is a bad idea. The lynch is the most interesting and main weapon in a game of ToL, as it can be socially manipulated far more easily than Prince executes and CSās, etc. Now the punishment for lynching Fool is so harsh it makes people want to use the lynch less, which is universally a bad and less fun idea. I can only attest to how much fun games where town uses lynches over TKs are, but theyāre certainly more fun.
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Fool is fine. A lot of people seem to be making the mistake of saying executing Fool punishes BD for making the right decision (executing Fool is not the right decision) and for pretending itās impossible to distinguish a real evil from a Fool.
If you executed a Fool it doesnāt mean Fool is overpowered. It means Fool outplayed you.
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Wrong, because it takes literally no skill to get yourself lynched.
Hell, the entire purpose of the game is to get good enough to not be hanged when youāre evil.
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it takes literally no skill to get yourself lynched.
The fact that Fools are often pardoned under suspicion of being Fools proves this statement wrong.
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Haters will say Fool is easy.
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Iād still say luck is a higher factor than skill at that. Fool is the litteral nonstop wine in front of me class.
No evil would act that blatently obviously evil he must be a foolā¦ ah but if he werenāt a fool he would want to act even more evil so I could thin him a fool, ad infinium.
In the end. if you have a night kill option, all the fool does is move more or less all executing onto the night judges rather than the day trials, if they care toā¦ for me at least 9/10 times if someone isnāt BD Iāll take the risk of executing the fool over the risk of a scum staying around the table needlessly because nobodys going to act.
No evil would act that blatently obviously evil he must be a foolā¦ ah but if he werenāt a fool he would want to act even more evil so I could thin him a fool, ad infinium.
That conundrum is what this genre of game is all about. I play the game for exactly these sorts of puzzles.
I play the game to murder people.
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sure you can argue you like itā¦ you just canāt argue itās skill. Itās either a coin toss on whether it is or isnātā¦ or you could have a standard rule you use like I do.
I do agree on social deductionā¦ but I massively disagree with it being a āpuzzleāā¦ when someone is either trying to look like they want to, versus look like they want you to hang themā¦ thereās nothing really that can be solved, it is just guessingā¦ closest to puzzle would be if you calculate a risk/benefit for both classes and take a risk.
Itās a puzzle in the same way āwhich of these 3 boxes I put a book inā. is a puzzle.
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If you ask me all of my games are luck based as players are really stupid and rarely execute a evil because they have evidence itās usually the King random lynching.
sure you can argue you like itā¦ you just canāt argue itās skill. Itās either a coin toss on whether it is or isnāt
Not true at all. There is luck but there is also skill involved. The chance of the guy being a Fool varies wildly from case to case. Just because there are only two possibilities, is he a Fool? Or is he not? That does not equate to a coin toss since a real coin toss has equal probability to land heads (Fool) or tails (not Fool).
when someone is either trying to look like they want to, versus look like they want you to hang themā¦ thereās nothing really that can be solved, it is just guessingā¦ closest to puzzle would be if you calculate a risk/benefit for both classes and take a risk.
It is a puzzle, although one that canāt be solved with complete certainty. Itās not just guessing. Of course the earlier the game is, the less information you have to make an informed decision, but you always do have information, which includes the accusedās behavior on the stand.
Using your logic, gambling games do not involve skill just because luck is involved. And of course I do not deny that luck is a factor in Fool games.
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My reply is noWe are so over.
Not really. Pardoning because of fool is more common than pardoning because of scorned. And frame isnāt common enough to make a difference(though the aristocrat change did help).
When you pardon because of fool the person is dead anyways. When you pardon because of scorned you turn on the accuser.
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