Why I think the current ToL state is bad

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#41

It does tho.

#42

Thatā€™s cool then lel. But still, Iā€™ve seen Pretenderā€™s lose and kingmake because their arenā€™t enough playerā€™s left to become king with lol.

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#43

thatā€™s just sad tho.

#44

Yeah it was Good king, Observer, pretender and 2 cult left. Pretender and cult lynched King, Cult no actioned. Pretender couldnā€™t become King.

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#45

make them suicide if they canā€™t become king cause they already lost? I see no way to make them win unless we wanted to allow them to become king as four players, but that means they just donā€™t step up ever.

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#46

Ok but should we be buffing pretender or pretender King?

#47

pretender king is fine.
Buff pretender

#48

We could make pretender have a super royal blood that counts for 3

#49

Allow them to actually be able to make some logs, more preferably investigative logs.

#50

How about a visit check?

#51

Ehā€¦ a little too much. 3 votes on you Is 9 and you always get 3 votes from you voting yourself

#52

Perhaps Change itā€™s win condition to ā€˜Become King or assure that there is no King when the game ends and surviveā€™

#53

Since itā€™s investigative we should make it more investigative for convincing logs.

#54

Think about it. A visit check letā€™s you claim Obs for one and if you get creative you can figure out classes very fast and claim other things too.

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#55

Eh, that is a little too much, usually people will execute the king anyway.

Making it step up is more interesting

#56

Meant to reply to mole

#57

Especially with death immunity it wouldnā€™t be that hard to win.

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#58

Technically you could make your wincondition: ā€œToo bad you loseā€ and nothing would change

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#59

I agree that Pretender dying upon being unable to win is a necessary rework to stop her from being swingy when dead or alive.

As Pretender king, your threats are the unseen/cult and butlers. The BD poses no threat apart from numbers and a poisoned chalice. This is why heading into the endgame you can blackmail the evils into voting you for king, with your royal blood, you can challenge most BD steps and force the informed minority to coordinate with you whilst the BD suffers from either having to vote an unconfirmed RB or see if they have a numbers to up say a confirmed CW

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#60

Agreed. Silence should be replaced with bewilder(Why was the name changed anyways?), and it should be able to target anyone. Ballot Mixing should also be able to target anyone, and you should choose what they vote instead of just reversing it. And pretender should have some guards as king.

Doesnā€™t it currently have royal blood though?