Wild West FM - Day 5 - Mafia Win!

[yee-claw]

@RangerCecil

You are literally not bothering to evaluate my PoE and explain it why it’s all villagers and you’re just claiming that they’re LHF.

I’m not saying it is all villagers. It had a bunch of nullreads of mines too. I commented on 4 people at it iirc.
I’m not claiming, they are LHF. I’m even surprised Wazza isn’t there.

[RangerCecil]

@yee-claw

I’m not saying it is all villagers. It had a bunch of nullreads of mines too. I commented on 4 people at it iirc.

…so why even object to a PoE if you hadn’t read into the people in there?

Who do you think flips V from my PoE?

[Trochilidae]

yee can i ask for your theoretical towncore? i remember remarking on it but i can’t seem to find it for myself again

[yee-claw]

Apprentice, Seth and me. Mole is null, Intensify I haven’t read.

[RangerCecil]

@yee-claw

I’m not claiming, they are LHF. I’m even surprised Wazza isn’t there.

LHF = Villagers that can be easily pushed by wolves.

Wolves by definition cannot be LHF.

Also Wazza has been villagery enough, so of course he’s not in it.

[yee-claw]

Vulgard, Mist, you. That’s the people I’m pretty sure that are villas.

[Intensify]

Catch-Up

@Mistyx

intensify

why should i bother reading your response because if you’re a wolf it just lets you work off of my read

that’s a theory question btw not an alignment one

???
I gave you a response, and you don’t want it… that’s not how you play FM…

@ash4fun

@Intensify

Uhh don’t expect me to make reads in this or for me to do some heavy analysis crap… this is just literally me commenting on some things and making like 1 or 2 questions, this is what I was typing

This feels a bit self-aware

Well you see… if I didn’t say this, this would happen:
Me: Posts my catch-up post
People: Idk this feels more commentating than actual anylasis and you barely made any conclusions… you are scum.

You see why I posted that first?

@ash4fun

@Intensify

Reads time, this is kinda odd tho. Everyone so far seems to be towny. I don’t really have many people to suspect right now.

This feels like it’s easily tmi’ing ppl town

Also the readslist leaves people out, I’m not sure how I feel about that.

I said in the readlist:

@Intensify

Everyone else who hasn’t appeared are Null/Conflicted for me.

So there ya go.

@ash4fun

@Intensify

Have completely forgotten Seth is TWTBW?

@Intensify

To be honest, from what I’ve seen, it looks like Seth can change his playstyle as scum, so I’m giving him a chance for now if he is a town changing his playstyle. I don’t really like lonching TWTBW players

@Intensify

Aight that’s fair I guess.

I never said I was townreading them though. Also wdym “not backed with any reasoning for calling him that.” Seth has shown many times to be TWTBAW before… or am I getting something wrong here and Seth doesn’t do wolfy things as town?

@Intensify

Null. He’s Null.

@Intensify

I think you’re not understanding what I’m saying. I’m not really reading Seth right now as town or scum. He has done scummy things before as town, hence why I am not so quick to say he’s scum yet. I am defending him because he’s easy to mislonch here… he does scummy things as town, very easy to push that if you’re scum. I want to give him a chance, because purely making a full scumread on him because oh he did a few scummy stuff is not really good.

No read on him in the readslist, yet insists on white knighting him. Without sr’ing the attackers at all. High w/w equity. Esp if they vote seth later.

I’ve already stated that I was reading Seth as a Null… I even said anyone not in the readlist is a Null… you missed a lot of stuff.
And also, why should I be SRing attackers? Just because someone is attacking someone else, doesn’t mean they are automatically scum… that’s not a smart way of playing this.

@Thunal33

Does this forum have a lot of scum wins?

Yes, we lose a lot as town.

@Leafia

I have to admit that Mist’s points on Intensify are food for thought and Mist might even be on to something here. So I’m changing my vote to a wagon more likely to produce results that villagers want to see. /vote Intensify @Marshal @Italy @Insanity

Did you read my response to his case on me?

@yee-claw

If the Leafia wagon does not go forward, I’ll switch my vote to Intensify later. I have no reasons to vote against Seth.

Are you purely voting now to move forward wagons? Also if you have no reasons to vote against Seth, what reason do you have to vote me?

@yee-claw

It’s recommended to shoot inside the PoE of the townleaders if you have no bloody idea on who to shoot. If your PoE overlaps with those of the town leader’s, it is also good to shoot on the overlaps.

Then there is the concept of hero shot, which is a shot outside at the PoE. Usually they are made by individuals who have a notion in the game but hate the PoE or think someone in the towncore is a deepwolf.

Could we like hold our ITAs? We don’t all need to go Triggerhappy and start spamming shots day 2.

@clonedcheese

Mole I think is >rand town because Seth

???

@ash4fun

and yes I’ve locked seth and intensify as w/w

I’ve given my reasoning. I’ve tried to explain everything, if that’s what conclusion you have made, then so be it.

@ash4fun

uhh… I think lolcommunication

Try this:

• Due to interactions with the thread and each other, I think seth and intensify are scum. The rest of this arguement assumes this is true.
• seth and intensify both voted moleland while being pressured.
• Assuming they were not in antispew, these votes are on someone they want exe’d
• In worlds where all three are scum, it doesn’t make sense for two doomed scum to try to escape by bussing a “free” wolf
• Therefore mole is town, given the listed assumptions.

Aight let’s deconstruct this

@ash4fun

Due to interactions with the thread and each other, I think seth and intensify are scum. The rest of this arguement assumes this is true.

Ok sure… let’s see

@ash4fun

seth and intensify both voted moleland while being pressured.

I never voted for Mole once under being pressured. I have been self-voting this entire time. Not sure about Seth tho

@ash4fun

Assuming they were not in antispew, these votes are on someone they want exe’d

Well this one doesn’t work if I didn’t vote Mole, which is what happened, I didn’t vote Mole at all

@ash4fun

In worlds where all three are scum, it doesn’t make sense for two doomed scum to try to escape by bussing a “free” wolf

Ok yeh this doesn’t work either because I didn’t even vote for Mole.

@Trochilidae

oh wonderful i am now worried about bastardity on top of everything
if i’m the only vanilla i will be big mad
i’m a bit nervous about the ITA’s and how they will play out tomorrow still. are these hero shots all that common?

Don’t worry, hosts will usually tell you whether games are bastard or not. I doubt any of these hosts wouldn’t tell you.

@RangerCecil

@Marshal

|Target|Votes|Voters|

| — | — | — |
|Surge|8/13|Vulgard, PokemonKidRyan, Apprentice, Wazza, Thunal33, Luxy, Trochilidillae, Appelsiini|
|Intensify|6/13|Intensify , Mist1422, deadbananas0, ash4fun, Leafia, eevee|

…what the actual fuck.

@Trochilidae

this is what i’ve been asking about since they did it lol
still haven’t gotten an answer on that actually, or if it was just a meme

@Universal

Why is intensify voting for himself?

@Apprentice

That being said selfvote bad pls stop

I’ve been doing since my opener…
And yes, it’s memes… why else would I be self-voting

@ash4fun

that’s true, I waw him typing something,

@intensify did you have something to say or no?

I’m just reading and catching up

@RangerCecil

@Intensify

Also Imma start creating a readlist of sorts. Since I can’t fund any scumleans, I’ll just go look for townies and put whoever I don’t find townie in my scumreads.

@Intensify

What happened to this?

I was making it yesterday, was almost done, but had 6 or so people left, so I went to sleep. Then I wake up and it appears everyone has started talking and no things happened, plus the non-posters decided to post, so I just gave up on the list

[ash4fun]

yeeclaw:

You’re claiming that Cecil’s PoE is bad.

we need you to demonstrate why it’s bad.

For example, if cecil cherrypicked posts to make their arguements, bring up the posts that were left out that tell a different narrative.

simply claiming things about people’s alignments doesn’t convince anyone of anything.

[RangerCecil]

Why do you TR Seth?

[yee-claw]

His wagon had no resistance for the longest time ever and people I dislike voted him.

[Intensify]

What’s the VC looking like and how much time do we have left?

[Mistyx]

we have a bit over two hours left

idk the VC but i think it’s 8 seth 6 you?

[RangerCecil]

@yee-claw

His wagon had no resistance for the longest time ever and people I dislike voted him.

Why can’t Seth be bussed?

Who do you think is a wolf that is pushing on Seth?

[Intensify]

That’s fine I guess. Seth had his chance for a while. Nothing really seemed to have changed with him. He posted a readlist I guess.

[ash4fun]

Intensify r u scum?

[Mistyx]

the bottom of my readslist rn would be like

intensify/apprentice/mole
then above them, yee/eevee

[Intensify]

No.
Jezuz, I’ve answered the case on me.

[yee-claw]

i’m stupid lmao I forgot the Seth-being-pushed-by-wolfy-people was because back then I wolf-leaned Vulgard, Wazza, Thunal and Mole.

yeah the wagon looks better now

I still don’t like how it had no real opposition

[Mistyx]

ash, vul, leafia, luxy, thunal, tro v
centuries is a tier below out of respect, should maybe add light to the list

[RangerCecil]

Fully agreed with this. Pretty confident on Light as well.