Wild West FM - Day 5 - Mafia Win!

[Vulgard]

i personally think you’re fine dw

[Trochilidae]

well that’s comforting.
i’d like someone’s opinion on my theory though. how easily could an emotional reaction be fake? i’m not saying being collected is AI either way, just had a somewhat related thought on the matter.

[Appelsiini]

It can be faked. If it works or not depends on your personal bluffing skills.

[Appelsiini]

@Wazza when you see this, I’d like to hear your opinions about the following people:

• Intensify
• Luxy
• Apprentice
• Chili
• Thunal

[Luxy]

@eevee

Luxy says I’m scum for not insta shooting.

.uhhhhh… what?

[Luxy]

@Vulgard

doesn’t seem to be able to re-evaluate despite us only killing 2/6 wolves so far

I was doing this did u miss my posts on how I didnt like the PoE

[an_gorta_pratai]

Here’s what I want to do today. I want to make a read on App/Centuries/Ash today as my first priorities. App is a known busser and I haven’t seen much from them and I got scum pings from them reading the thread initially, Centuries is someone I think is scummy for several reasons, and Ash I simply don’t remember

[Insanity]

Peek

Sorry, glasses were blurry, couldn’t see anything.

Please don’t angleshoot this as I didn’t even have anyone’s class card :^)

[ash4fun]

@ChopChop

If I was scum I would 180 until Intensify. But I’m not.

Reading appels iso on wazza and this caught my eye

This looks like probably TMI

not 100% clearing but I’ll

/unvote @Italy
(because I think I’m on them rn)

@Intensify

You have a compelling case… hmmm I’ll save my shot tommorow, I want to see more discussion about this

Actually nvm this feels like a case of “partner is the second strongest SR”

/vote Intensify again

still reading up, at #4587

[Insanity]

Rhongomiant ~Requiescat In Pace~

Target	Votes	Voters
an_gorta_pratai	2/9	Centuries, Light
Intensify	2/9	Vulgard, Wazza,
Apprentice	1/9	Appelsiini
Wazza	1/9	Ash4fun
Not Voting	10	Trochidillae, an_gorta_pratai, Intensify, Universal, Thunal33, Sulit, Whysper, eevee, Apprentice, Luxy

ITA list

ITA’ed	ITA user	Result
Leafia	Light, Luxy	Miss, Hit!
Deadbananas0	Yee-Claw	Hit!
ClonedCheese	Applesiini	Hit!
Mist1422	PokemonKidRyan	Hit!
Moleland	Universal, Thunal33, Trochilidae, Centuries	Miss, Miss, Miss, Hit!
Yee-Claw	Deadbananas0, Ash4fun, Apprentice, An_Gorta_pratai	Miss, Miss, Miss, Hit!
PokemonKidRyan	Vulgard, Whysper	Miss, Hit!
Intensify	Mist1422, Sulit	Miss, Miss!
Not yet ITA’ed	Eevee, Intensify

(Ping me if I make any mistake)

[Insanity]

(Wait, why is there 18 people in the voting section)

(Hold on a sec)

(Whew, better)

(Wait, there is one extra guy, what)

(Peace has finally been made)

[ash4fun]

@Vulgard

ash
luxy
wazza
gorta
intensify
sulit
whysper
eevee (i still think he’s town but objectively speaking he probably shouldn’t be higher)
appel (same as above)
apprentice

look at the above list
can everyone who’s willing to rethink the game tell me your best reasons for calling these people town? even if you don’t townread them, i’d like to hear what would be your best reason to call them town

Ash - my rolecard sayz so :^)

Luxy - Has generally been making and pushing reads. Not unfakable but p good townplay if town

Wazza - idk this one’s hard

Gorta - not really outside townmeta

Intensify - Scummy interactions with scum, but otherwise a pretty pure tone that I lowkey TR

Sulit - Not a lot to go on, seems interested in the game and not obviously agenda-driven

Whysper - Actual TR, They feel super pure, same as SFoL63. I can see their headspace.

Eevee - idk it’d take some bold scum to just refuse to give reads like that

Appel - Also actual TR, Super towny progressions, thought process super clear

Apprentice - idk Town explanation makes just as much sense as scum explanation. And I have trouble thinking of them as “on a scumteam”

[ash4fun]

@an_gorta_pratai

Ok, so, I don’t like Centuries and wouldn’t clear Cents over Seth and Mole. I remember back in ToS2 our M.O was bussing each other and if any of us flipped the other looks really good and I mean really good.

um,

You are aware that these are the sort of posts that get you killed as town?

You may call it hunting deepwolves, but from here it looks like dripping agenda.

[ash4fun]

Actually

/vote Wazza @Italy @Insanity @Marshal

bc they make less sense as town than intensify

Will probably iso once I’m done catching up (#4632)

[Insanity]

Alright, updated.

[Vulgard]

@Luxy

I was doing this did u miss my posts on how I didnt like the PoE

you don’t seem to read my posts
again

the only reason that’s there is because i did a thought exercise called “reasons why everyone is scum”

[Vulgard]

i don’t really have a good grasp on this game whatsoever and it bothers me
idk if i even believe my own poe
everyone is mafia

[an_gorta_pratai]

Reading up on Apprentice:

App defends mole

@Apprentice

also btw Moleland is just town. Every single time they’ve been scum they’ve had a huge focus on interactions (often W/W) that would take up much of the thread and cause a lot of distraction

@Apprentice

Surge bad

Mole, Trochili, Vulgard, Mist good

thanks for coming to my TED talk

@Apprentice

I already said Mole good don’t kill Mole

yee is like w/e I don’t strong scumread the slot but I don’t have any reason to think it’s town

@Apprentice

how is this a reasonable conclusion? Seth+Intensify pressuring someone doesn’t make them look worse if you already think they’re lock-wolf so not voting Mol is in no way them setting up Mole to go deep

@Apprentice

this is wrong

I have TMI and Mole is town

@Apprentice

Mole made bad points in Purgatory too. He was village there. Some players make bad points as town. Why do you think his are scummy here?

@Apprentice

So you think he’s scummy, because he scumreads you but is unwilling to push you for it?

@Apprentice

I think your read on Moleland makes sense, I just don’t think it’s out of Moleland’s townrange. He seems much more similar to how he was in Purgatory (where he also just made an elaborate OMGUS) than any other game from what I’ve seen so far. Do you think there is distinction between his play here and there or that there is something here that is distinctly scummy from what you know of Mole?

I want people’s opinions here. If we are assuming that App bussed Seth then why defend Mole? I suppose this could have been planned to get Mole into more townreads, but how far does App usually bus?

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@Apprentice

Cecil should never be endgaming EVER. I think they’re a decent shot tomorrow although I know a lot of you are going to disagree. Their posts are very similar to how Alice handled Wazza in SFoL 63. And if they’re town they are a good enough player that wolves gonna kill them soon enough.

Posts like this look terrible in my opinion. Cecil was pretty towny and trying to discredit towny people + defending Mole just doesn’t sit right with me.

@Apprentice

why the ever living fuck do you have me on the list

I spend the entirety of day 1 dunking Seth and I’m on the list because “haha you bus sometimes”
Can we fucking not?

But the frustration seems very genuine and I can’t say if it’s towny of scummy.

@Apprentice

Like I’m literally getting scumread for being a major part in getting a wolf killed

Was App really that major in executing Seth? I don’t quite recall them pushing Seth that much other than Surge = bad Mole = good

@Apprentice

I LITERALLY PROVIDED A CASE ON ALL OF SETH’S RELEVANT POSTS AT THAT POINT AS WELL AS BEING THE THIRD ONE TO VOTE HIM THE AND THE SECOND ONE TO CASE HIM IN THE SLIGHTEST.

There’s a giant ass part of that wagon that didn’t evaluate him at all

Again I don’t know how to read the frustration here

@Apprentice

Troch should be towncored and PKR is too high that’s all I see at a quick glance

I am keeping this around in case App is a wolf, but I don’t know

@Apprentice

ok let’s try openwolfing:

I am wolf

@Apprentice

no this is bad logic. reverse psychology is like 2nd grade level bluff. just shoot me I’m a wolf

@Apprentice

how is it gamethrowing if I’m Mafia?

These posts also confuse the hell out of me. I know this is hedgey, but I could see this from either alignment. The part that will solidify my read here is depending on how bussy App is. Like this kind of play either comes from a frustrated townie wanting out or a wolf that was caught and is trying to salvage things.

@Apprentice

so I legitimately tried my hardest to play the game

I scumread a wolf all of day 1 and am a large part in getting them killed

and then I get scumread for it

idk wtf you want from me

I think I am biased, but I have been in this situation as town and it plain sucks. Maybe this is why I am so conflicted on this play, but I never asked for death.

@Apprentice

it’s optimal for me to be killed though

I WILL die to town at some point. I’m never being nightkilled and it’s pretty clear I’m not getting cleared

the longer I don’t die the longer:

1. my posts/reads are ignored because people think I’m scum
2. time is wasted arguing and fluffing

my death earlier > my death later in regards to helping town

This post seems kind of towny in my opinion based on tone and reasoning

@Apprentice

please stop this. it’s a bad take and very abusable by scum

This post also seems towny, but I don’t know at this point.This could be WiFoM for all we know, but I kind of town read some of these later posts based on tone.

@Apprentice

tbh I’m pretty sure you’re more likely to hit a wolf in 90% of games here by shooting in consensus towncore rather than shooting PoE

I have to say this is almost always true (don’t hero shot though)

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Conclusion
I honestly don’t know. If App only semi busses for cred then I would say this is a possible wolf, but if App hard busses then I honestly think this has a high chance of town. I need other opinions on these posts, but I slap a null read on this until I get some questions answered.

[Vulgard]

but when i did my thought exercises things seemed to make some semblance of sense so maybe i should just go with what i’ve established

[Luxy]

Yeah but that wasn’t a reason