Wild West FM - Day 5 - Mafia Win!

[Appelsiini]

Have you looked at the votes from yesterday? Who were on Intensify & App wagon?

[ash4fun]

Target	Votes	Voters
Apprentice	5/9	Whysper, Universal, Apprentice, Sulit, Light
Intensify	6/9	Wazza, Thunal33, Appelsiini, Luxy, ash4fun, Centuries
sulit	1/9	Vulgard
Not Voting	4	Trochidillae, an_gorta_pratai, Intensify, eevee

[ash4fun]

Target	Votes	Voters
Surge	13/13	Vulgard, PokemonKidRyan, Apprentice, Thunal33, Luxy, Appelsiini, Universal, ash4fun, Moleland, an_gorta_pratai, Wazza, Light, deadbananas0
Intensify	3/13	Leafia, Eevee, Yee-claw
Moleland	2/13	Centuries, Mist1422
Light	1/13	Whysper
Whysper	1/13	Sulit
Yee-claw	1/13	RangerCecil
Mist1422	1/13	Surge
Not Voting	3	Intensify, Trochilidae, Clonedcheese

To be honest, I don’t think geyde/eevee camping out on intensify is a good look

[Trochilidae]

i see whysper got shot at, is anyone else dead?

[sulit]

[sulit]

wait i was doing that

[ash4fun]

Nope

These are the shots left:

Whysper
Geyde->eevee
an_gorta_pratai
Apprentice

(and to be quite honest I don’t really like the idea of them all taking them)

[sulit]

weh

[an_gorta_pratai]

@ash4fun

any suggestions for interactions to read?

I’ve skimmed about 2/3 of stuff, no reads yet.

(except what I sheeped off vul but that doesn’t count)

@ash4fun

I should probably start my mega-iso a bit earlier ie now or tonight.

since it’s 36/12 and all

In my opinion these posts feel performative and LAMIST

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@ash4fun

ugh my head is preflipping seth w and finding partners rn im bad

@ash4fun

oh yeah

/vote Intensify @italy @Insanity

ooh look all the I names in one line!

@ash4fun

I mean intensify’s been half white-knighting, half disowning the surge wagon for forever now

@ash4fun

Unless seth and intensify both started antispew 6 hours into D1, I don’t think they both counterbus mole.
like if seth scum seth doomed
mole maybe deepwolfs if they play gud
so both of them voting mole is
and yes I’ve locked seth and intensify as w/w

Seth was tonally w in my opinion, but I don’t like the wording of this post. They then go on to vote Intensify “for being Seth’s partner” instead of voting the person they preflip as wolf. This does look like an attempt to save Seth. Like why vote a potential partner over your confirmed wolf

@ash4fun

if he wasn’t before, he likely is now.

but iirc the vote on mole was about 6 hours into the game?
at that point he was less obviously doomed.

@ash4fun

@clonedcheese

I think seth spewed mole as town

This sums it up pretty well.

Except for the itty bitty detail where they actually have to flip scum first, but that’ll (hopefully) come.

@ash4fun

If surge flips W then DISREGARD EVERYTHING CENT IS YELLING AND DON"T SNAPSHOOT MOLE

They also defend mole during all of that and I honestly don’t like it. It just looks like someone trying to use Seth to save their partner.

@ash4fun

tbh I don’t actually have that much on intensify besides associations now that I think about it.

and it looks like the rest of town is happier with surge exe.

so /vote surge @Insanity

@ash4fun

um…

If this is the sort of discussion we’re going to have for the next hour I’m fine with hammering now

@ash4fun

yeah surge is openwolfing now we can hammer methinks

They also vote Seth after the Intensify wagon doesn’t do much to counteract the Seth wagon. I honestly could be over reacting, but I don’t like these posts

@ash4fun

Just a reminder:

IF A CONSENSUS TOWN DIES, WE WILL LOOK AT THEIR FINAL READS TOMORROW.

and then a consensus town died with absolute shit reads that resulted in several townies dying (I know this is reachy as hell)

@ash4fun

Also could somebody please link me the case on mole.

I still feel like Im in the dark on that. I thought they were spewed town by surge?
At any rate I thought for most of yesterday that they were the designated mislynch.

So could someone show me why that’s not the case?
(also I take back my blessing on shooting mole until I get it)

I don’t know why they would still defend mole when mole was a consensus SR. The only thing I could think of is wolf theatrics.

@ash4fun

Why is whysper red?

Also light&wazza&appel green? or is this just “don’t kill today” list

I also hate how they go from saying Whysper is towny -> being ok with them being shot

@ash4fun

imo vulgard/appel seems like the most likely deefwolf combo

but so far I’m too lazy to see if that actually makes sense

This feels like it’s an attempt to claim credit if Vul flips wolf, which I think is a possibility. They also do a 180 on d3 (from “Vul/Appel are the most likely deepwolf suspects” -> “Vul can’t be a deepwolf”)

@ash4fun

So if it’s any consolation…

We’re still at 12 town to 4 scum.

And they only have 1 nightkill.

So if we’re confident about the towncore, we can afford to burn the PoE.

I’d like to continue using our heads and reading and such but,

It’s a tiny comfort that 90% of the KP is in town’s hands?

and look at yesterdays slaughter fest

@ash4fun

No

Wolves don’t kill ppl for being wrong

They might kill people so they can’t re-eval while wrong.

If cecil was as wrong as they seem rn, then it’s probably just a SPK

Can someone remind me what a SPK is?

@ash4fun

GTFO

It makes literal no sense to SR these people.

It also mates literal no sense to SR them over, say, thunal who just pushed a CFD onto a villager

@ash4fun

idrc, it looks to me like y’all are buddy-buddy.

And anyways, gorta isn’t actually reevaling. He’s just continuing to say that everyone else is wrong to TR people

@ash4fun

Re-evaluating is not,
“All that stuff we though before must be wrong”

Re-evaluating is,
“Do these people still look towny in light of flips and recent interactions?”

I think that you might be under the illusion that to “re-eval”, you have to answer “no”.

@ash4fun

I’m not against re-evaluating them

I’m against people scumreading them for no reason other than:
“They were townread, and I’m re-evaluating”

@ash4fun

I think here we see a key difference in how the game works.

You seem to be argueing that because the part of the PoE that has flipped is mostly town, the rest of must be mostly town.
(I don’t really understand the logic behind it ftr)

The way I see it, the PoE is still the most likely place for wolves to be. Since part that has flipped is mostly town, the rest must be mostly scum.

And right now, it looks like the wolves have run out of LHF’s, so they need to find somewhere else to escape to.

In general, it’s a lot easier for scum to direct town toward the wrong targets and LHF’s, than it is for scum to completely fool town and make a whole class of townies look like scum.

@ash4fun

I’ll veto this as soon as the thread isn’t clogged by wolves

@ash4fun

I think that both you (gorta) and Thunal are wolves right now.

Explaining why to you would be exhausting for me, and utterly useless for town, So I’ll wait to make cases for people I TR to show up.

I have some irl stuff to do so I’ll probably just leave thread for a while

I don’t like how Ash shades my ideas to re-eval everything and claims I was automatically scumreading everyone universally townread. It just feels like OMGUS

@ash4fun

Add onto this pushing CFD from app to intensify
which I joined in on like an idiot

Ash was pushing to kill Instensify for all of d1 and d2, so why show remorse for CFDing to that now?

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Conclusion
I think this is a wolf plain and simple. Some posts look like serious planning/setting up for a slaughter fest and others look like wolf theatrics. Ash just primarily pushes LHF, despite them constantly flipping town and never really thinks about re-evaluating anything. In fact, Ash seems to be against looking at everyone in the mirror and would blindly shoot LHF in the PoE. For those reasons I am confident in this being a wolf

[an_gorta_pratai]

@sulit has Centuries done his towntell yet?

[sulit]

yes

[an_gorta_pratai]

Could you point out what that is?

[sulit]

no, then he can fake it

[an_gorta_pratai]

I have my doubts about Centuries, but eh fine I guess. GTH who do you think the scum are in?

[sulit]

I’m p confident in cent/troch being town

then appel/uni/ash

then vul and light

and

my POE is app/whys/you/eevee/wazza

[sulit]

@sulit

vul and light

i think there is exactly one wolf in here

[an_gorta_pratai]

Hmmmm, so which of the two is the wolf in your opinion?

[sulit]

not really sure yet,

i want to look at vul but ive been putting it off because im lazy

gth Light

[an_gorta_pratai]

I still need to look at Vul myself. Oh, whats this? Vulgard has 413 posts? This should be fun also @sulit I want you to read my case on Ash

[Universal]

Who hasn’t participated yet that has participated quite a lot yesterda