I mean, she can be simply wrong
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I mean, she can be simply wrong
you’re stupid.
Oof
That’s why I didn’t vote her before. But her PoE is… bad. It is full of isolatedly scummy LHF.
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Ok so the reason I needed to see Leafia’s worldview right now was that this post here was a fucking loaded cannon right into my towncore, completely contrarian to most people’s reads and arguing Surge is town:
I wanted Leafia to post their reads so I could see what they’re proposing as an alternative towncore yet
Centuries: Likely town since I can’t see scum acting the way he acts.
Clonedcheese: Null. Has barely posted.
ash4fun: Null. I don’t remember much from him.
Trochidillae: Null honestly as I haven’t paid much attention to him.
Leafia: Scumrea-wait, this is me! Towncore.
Mist1422: Null currently.
an_gorta_pratai: Most likely town that has improved his towngame.
Intensify: Null. I can’t remember much from him.
Surge: Townread. One of my strongest townread right now.
PokemonKidRyan: Scumlean. Mostly based on gut.
RangerCecil: Scumread: Her reads seem faked. She has improved a bit lately so I’m not 100% certain on her slot.
Light: Scumread. He was fluff posting way too much at the beginning to be town.
Wazza: Null. He has posted?
Luxy: Slight scumlean. He has improved since earlier admittedly, so he might be town.
Universal: Null. Haven’t paid much attention to him.
yee-claw: Scumlean. I can’t exactly remember what made me start scumleaning him honestly.
Thunal33: Null
Vulgard: Scumread for reasons I’ve already explained.
Sulit: : Null
Moleland: Scumread. He’s just been there.
Whysper: Townlean. He was like this last game too if I recall correctly.
Geyde: Null
deadbananas0: Townlean. It might be me just liking how much he’s agreeing with me though.
Appelsiini: Null.
Apprentice: Null.
She has 5/24 people listed as varying degrees of town including the top wagon of Surge. She has 8/24 players as scumreads, close to double the amount of her townreads when there are only 6 scum in this game. Everyone else is listed as null. Now I know I put her on the spot with the townlist but her mindset on the game makes no sense coming from someone who made a post literally flipping the gamestate on its head: More or Less Concensus Town are actually scum and the top wagon is actually town. This shows that wants to completely disagree with the gamestate but does not have an opinion on over half the playerlist. I was giving the her the benefit of the doubt with that post because she could have generally been a townie unhappy with the current events but her worldview here is way too narrow to justify a gameflipping read in any regard. She leaves over half the game on null which is a pretty good indicator that its a wolf readlist.
Now lets look at her ISO, she’s awfully quick to condemn me for one post I made on sulit which I changed my mind on and said he was town:
If we could ITA right now, I’d send one Luxy’s way. I’m that confident in him being scum right now. As for you, you’ve improved a bit in my eyes tbh.
It isn’t off of one post. It’s off of how you’ve been acting and reacting this game.
Cop out when I first asked her about it
Nah. I’m not the type of player to look into a player’s past games like that. Past games aren’t this one after all.
Argues with me about how meta is good beforehand but refuses to use it to justify her read on myself. It really just does seem she was trying to seem like she was doing something by arguing with myself for so long.
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She likes Intensify, someone whos pretty concensusly disliked. Started the game by shadethrowing vulgard and setting up his lynch, accuses Cecil and then…
see what Vulgard means about Yee Claw though, so I think some pressure there could do some good and I think Yee Claw would make a great counterwagon to Seth right now honestly. /vote Yee Claw @Italy @Marshal @Insanity @CRichard564
she decides to vote yee-claw with zero interaction with any of his/her’s posts.
Although I don’t think Seth is a good wagon here either. Mole could be though.
She’s been defending Seth all game, which is one of the consistent parts of her ISO
Luxy, Cecil herself, and Vulgard, who admittedly is now a slight townlean for me as he has improved since earlier. Possibly Mole too.
Slam! The entire towncore is apparently more scummy to her than Surge?!? This makes no sense, she disagrees with the concensus yet doesn’t have a strong grasp of the gamestate herself as demonstrated by her readlist and screams of trying to keep a towncore from forming early.
Yee Claw as well.
Yeeclaw as well despite no interaction between them
I hate how quick the Surge wagon is growing here and it only makes me even more convinced that he’s town. No way does his wagon grow this quickly if he’s scum. People are just leaping onto it now.
This is what I was saying earlier, so if Leafia agrees with a lot of what I say, then why am I so scumread to her right now? It makes no sense
Surge is slipping a bit for me honestly as it seemed he didn’t even care that he was a top wagon upon entering the thread.
She then contradicts herself in the same post.
Overall, Leafia’s worldview here makes no sense to me, she actively and completely goes against concensus yet has demonstrated less than a solid grasp on the game, having over half the game as null and only 5 current townreads. If she was town and believed the current towncore was bad, she would make an effort to find players she would towncore and build her knowledge of the game so that she can expose the deepwolves. Instead she shades the entire towncore, arguing we should all be shot tomorrow during ITA but not suggesting any replacements for the position, indicating her intention is not to solve but to prevent a towncore formation. The current ‘towncore-ish’ is all scum to her apparently, and someone still reads Thunal as null despite large amounts of interaction between the two. This indicates to me that Leafia is trying to be seen as a towny to ‘break the mold’ and reshape the game where she has authority, whilst simultaneously saving her scumbuddy Surge. I can easily see them both flipping scum here and I do not think Leafia’s thoughts are real ones at all to say the least. Not to mention her readlist is pretty textbook wolfy with all the nulls, but I did force her to do it so its probably a weaker tell here.
Note: I’m using towncore as my personal towncore but I do believe we’re relatively concensus town at this point.
I do not believe Leafia can be town with such polarised reads to everyone else, I see no thought process for half of them, barely any progression for the other half indicating she’s making the conclusions before having reasons for them.
Have you read JOAT2?
She benefits from flipping the gamestate here with that post, especially if Surge is her scumbud
No
Iso her there. Her reads were… A unique kind of special in that game too
I see no thought process for half of them
She literally tried to argue that she wanted to post a readslist with reasoning on everyone there and we insisted on the opposite.
I’m talking about the stuff in her ISO
Namely
Surge
Cecil
yee-claw
{Mist, Thunal}
{Tro, Leafia, Vulgard, Luxy, ash}
{Sulit, Light, Cecil, Centuries, Appel}
{Surge, cloned, whysp, DB, Geyde, gorta, Uni}
{PKR, Mole, Wazza, yee-claw}
{Apprentice, Intensify}
one of these reads is in the wrong tier by at least two
try to guess which
actually that was a dumb idea probably
but hi here’s my readslist
And I mean when her readlist is 13/25 nulls there isn’t much reasoning she can add
The reason I wanted her to post the alignment list (if we’re arguing semantics) is because I hoped I could garner some idea of what she wanted to replace my towncore with, so I could understand what she was thinking, but I got nothing
i think we could all benefit from seeing Leafia’s full, more in-depth readlist here
she wasn’t this keen to shake up the thread in SFoL63 when she was still town but again, my meta of her is far from complete
If you want more information on a read of hers, just ask for it. That was obviously a resume. We asked for a resume.
oh and the fourth tier of my list is the null tier