[Winter Event] JoaTJoaTJoaT13 - Mafia wins!

[WindwardAway]

What the heck was that lol

[WindwardAway]

this game is actually hard to play when everyone’s out for christmas : /

[PokemonKidRyan]

I’m holding on and sticking around.
Luckily it’s not near EoD yet so I’m not too stressed out about thread state.

I still wish we had the extension but with some people denying it, others not responding too… it kinda sucks and yet we cannot do anything about it.

[WindwardAway]

right
well, I’m using whatever time we’ve got to think as hard as I can about it. but it’s hard to get reads on people when they’re just plain not there.
at this point, both town and scum are mostly afk (as was expected) so I guess I’m not going to see much improvement anytime soon.
not sure if it’s worth ISOing anyone else at the moment because I already did an ISO on Derps, a quick look at Illwei’s posts, and I think I have a decent overview of your posts and Shurian’s posts.

I’m tempted to move Shurian back into my PoE for today, but I also don’t want to try handling too many people in a day because I don’t really know if that would be helpful, or if it actually distracts me more from looking for details within a more concentrated group.

[Illwei]

Oh, I have :). Which makes a defense uber-meaningless.

[WindwardAway]

@Illwei

Which makes a defense uber-meaningless.

but only against the tunneller. you can still argue your case for everyone else’s sake, can’t you?

[WindwardAway]

also, Illwei, I’d recommend giving your scumreads ASAP if you have any, because otherwise it looks like you’re stalling for time and trying to come up with a fabricated case against whomever you land on.

so, GTH, who’s scum here?

[Intensify]

You can’t be really surprised though when people are AFK during Christmas ngl.

I mean I’m also gonna be busy during the night for the most part ai think

[Arctic]

probably a waste of time to iso ilwei in-depth since wind did but here’s some things

@Illwei

I get being suspicious of people for posting lots but not saying anything, but reads like that, only 12 hours into D1? not really something I’d put much weight behind, but a read nonetheless

hedge
this was when illwei was refusing to comment on light’s theory about one of the top 3 posters having at least one mafia (which by the way, it did)
this could be because he was refusing to discuss the prospect of his teammate being mafia or she just didn’t want to comment for whatever reason? like this post doesn’t do much for me

@Illwei

I’ve been dying D2 in every game I’ve played recently, and that has been really making me slowly lose my will to live at all. trying to fix that somehow.

i also find it funny how she predicted she was going to get wagoned D2 but this is probably NAI

@Illwei

I’m not liking how Min’s sounding rn, it feels like they’re trying to coast on joke statements when we should be out of RVS

honestly?
i like this post because min did keep changing their mind with whether or not they were joking about things earlier
this may have occurred when marl was pushing min though(?) so she could have been joining her scummate on a wagon

@Illwei

So Wind wend from Annoyed, Self-voting, thinking she was dead to all of a sudden up and about, prodding people, asking questions, appearing helpful? someone tell me if you didn’t see this but this feels scummy to me.

now this is the absolute worst post from illwei
she sees windward changing her attitude to a more solvey approach as scummy? so she’s saying it would have been more towny and pro-town to sit and accept getting killed?
this post does nothing meaningful

@Illwei

Can someone give me the rundown on Min’s case against Eli? I keep seeing them say they have one, but then like, I also don’t see one.

@Illwei

people are voting marl, because Eli counter claimed Eevee?

these posts up perfectly with the theory that the mafia (in this case, illwei) have no idea what’s going on since they messed up the nightkill

@Illwei

No need to get all worked up about it, it’s not like it’s a big read I have on you

Take a deep breath

this really unsettles me
it just seems like she is trying to placate windward here

@Illwei

I’m going to do my own thinking first, but I agree that there might be scum in there. I’m for not thinking about it right now though. Yall can do what you want though, im not going to tell you.

don’t you think it’s time to tell us buddy now that you’re on the chopping block

anyway, after this illwei’s posts are just mech speculation with the JOATs and honestly i don’t think it’d be useful to quote that massive amount of text, but what i gathered is that illwei seems to be defending what the mafia did by considering what their thought processes might have been
now i don’t know how obvious illwei would make it be that they are mafia by trying to justify their bad plays, but it’s still something to consider

@Illwei

as for the second part, I’m not going to be defending. there’s basically no point/good defenses anyone can say, IMO. what I can do is look through my suspicions and present a case on someone who I think is Scum. which, I plan to do eventually.

please defend yourself, especially if you are town because it’s unhelpful not even making an attempt to convince us that you aren’t mafia

@Illwei

Am I supposed to use irl reasons, which is something I very much dislike doing?

• I’m burnt out and have been taking this game very casually.
  • other people have been taking the game casually too, and they’re not up for the kill
• I’m in multiple games so pwease cut me slack?
  • I’m the one who joined multiple games, it’s my responsibility to not throw because of it.

how exactly is this meant to be town AI
like are you saying you put more effort into your scumgames?

@Illwei

everyone’s only hope for survival is to push the people they think are scummy.

you

[Arctic]

@WindwardAway

but only against the tunneller. you can still argue your case for everyone else’s sake, can’t you?

if i wasn’t trying to listen to reason then i wouldn’t be trying to have a discussion

[Arctic]

also @SirDerpsAlot it’s time you actually do something

[Arctic]

well, i guess whenever you can because holiday things

[Arctic]

the main reason i think illwei is scum is because she fits perfectly into our current theory that the mafia aren’t paying attention and have had a consistently low presence in the thread
which matches up with how they messed up the nightkill

[Arctic]

and something else
the reason why illwei isn’t really defending herself probably isn’t because she’s town, but it’s moreso because she lost any motivation to play this game (even though there was probably very little to begin with, lol)
i mean think about it, one mafia down D1 and no nightkill
scum are probably not feeling too great atm

[min]

Hot take

Light/illwei is a chance considering neither of them grasped the concept that I was a joat

[min]

If it was like anyone else

There’s literally no reason why they wouldn’t kill me

[WindwardAway]

@Intensify

You can’t be really surprised though when people are AFK during Christmas ngl.

I mean I’m also gonna be busy during the night for the most part ai think

oh I’m not surprised lol, I’m also probably gonna end up mostly afk between now and EoD, which is meh.

@Arctic

@Illwei

So Wind wend from Annoyed, Self-voting, thinking she was dead to all of a sudden up and about, prodding people, asking questions, appearing helpful? someone tell me if you didn’t see this but this feels scummy to me.

now this is the absolute worst post from illwei
she sees windward changing her attitude to a more solvey approach as scummy? so she’s saying it would have been more towny and pro-town to sit and accept getting killed?
this post does nothing meaningful

I actually disagree that that’s the scummiest post from Illwei. It does kind of make sense that scum would go from openwolfing to acting like they’re solving, although that’s not what I was doing (because lol I’m town).

@Arctic

@Illwei

people are voting marl, because Eli counter claimed Eevee?

these posts up perfectly with the theory that the mafia (in this case, illwei) have no idea what’s going on since they messed up the nightkill

well, Illwei did notice at some point that Eli cc’d Eevee, but I didn’t really think it seemed like Illwei thought there was anything wrong with targeting both JoaT B claims, so that still lines up with my logic in thinking they’re potentially scum.

@Arctic

i mean think about it, one mafia down D1 and no nightkill
scum are probably not feeling too great atm

that’s a good point

@min

Light/illwei is a chance considering neither of them grasped the concept that I was a joat

hmmmm
but I know Light saw that both Eevee and Eli claimed JoaT before the night phase, so I’m still townleaning him more than I originally did.

[min]

The issue is the fact eevee was targeted over me

[min]

It doesn’t matter if you saw it if you don’t grasp it you are allowed to be poed tbh

[PokemonKidRyan]

Honestly this kinda myths me.

I pointed out that you were the one claim I saw and I said this multiple times.

So why eevee?
I know speculation has happened already but it’s not as if thread is changing so much that I have anything else to comment on.