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[EliThePsycho]

how are we not voting maple

[Intensify]

@Arctic

@EliThePsycho

maple is doing the “confuse town” strategy

this point is moot

no it’s not
you don’t buss like this regardless

So you’re willing to believe scum is doing a really odd strategy where they purposely miss a kill and bet on the town to do the rest of their work, while at the same time, praying that town doesn’t do anything to even slightly ruin their plan or else it just all fails… but you don’t believe Maple can just do some wierd voting bullcrap to make Eevee townread them… ok sure buddy.

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

Lemme ask. If you believe this is some big brain plan by scumteam… why would scum intentionally miss 2 night kills?

Because it sets up 4 ML’s during the day? They may not have intentionally missed one of the kills, but it’s an easy setup to misyeet half the town. That’s a good strategy imo. They don’t need to make as many night kills if they can sit back and watch town yeet itself instead. It also convinces town to relax more and let down their guard, as opposed to town being very guarded if scum is making “smart” kills.

Ok so first who are the mislonches? I know SDA and Shurian but the other 2 are ???

And second, how many of those people do you think would’ve been mislonched anyways even if scum didn’t miss nightkills?

@WindwardAway

They also targeted Eevee twice, which tells me one of two things:

1. they were dumb (I think this is a fallacy at this point)
2. they wanted Eevee out as a highly capable player and were easily able to frame the low-activity players because we were activity-reading as a scumtell (probably my fault)

So which one is it?

@WindwardAway

@Arctic

to make us think they are stupid/not present in the thread so we kill all the people that match this description

yes this is what I was trying to say. sacrificing 2 kills for 4 misyeets doubles the number of town that gets voted out, plus wastes 4 days where scum never gets yeeted. See my point? it’s to buy them time while we focus on the framed pool.

No because A. It confirms like 4 people and B. why fail kills to get 4 random people killed, instead of just dodging missing the kill and killing the people you want instead?

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

Isn’t that kinda strict and unlikely plan? For that to work, that requires someone to go and look at the nightkills and be like “oh yeah scum missed nightkill? Must be inactive scum who aren’t paying attention.” which is unlikely unless scum are nudging that sort of idea hard into people’s minds…

@Arctic

i’m not sure if you’ve been paying attention but that’s exactly how it’s gone

it’s working
this is why we killed illwei, shurian and derps
though i guess derps was also policy

yeah basically

No? That doesn’t prove crap. My point still stands, this relies on scum betting on such a tiny and specific plan.

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

The first one to bring up that prospect of “inactive/distracted scum” was Wind I’m pretty sure… so unless you accuse Wind of being scum then… I don’t think that really works.

that was me, yes, but the first one to bring up the prospect of “active but inexperienced scum” was actually Light if you look at his posts from earlier today (when I was busy totally misreading his projected outcome thingy, which I think you should all read for yourselves).

Oh… ok I didn’t realize Light purposed that first. Could’ve swore it was you.

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

No? I just don’t believe scum are big braining us cause the pieces don’t fit. Wind is locktown pretty much, he’s never scum unless he’s big braining us (which I superiorly doubt).

If there are two puzzle pieces missing and PKR is only one of them, and no other pieces fit with him, I don’t think he can be scum because he’s been very unaware of the thread in all honesty, and it would imply he has an active scum partner who is capable of filling him in and not letting him just throw a night kill onto someone who is not a great target. This is why I think it’s being done on purpose now.

Oh yeah but… pieces are still missing.

@WindwardAway

@Arctic

to me it just seems like you’re being deliberately ambiguous

^^^ this tbh
I’m not sure how, but I think Intensify just dropped in my reads within the span of reading the last hour’s worth of their posts because I don’t get what it is they don’t get about the big brain play? lol

I literally gave a couple reasons against how your idea of scum big braining us doesn’t make sense and now I’m apparently ambiguous or whatever.

@WindwardAway

@Arctic

i already said that you and light didn’t have thread awareness of the JOATs on D1

and this, too.

Ok and what type of people do you take me and Light to be? People who just yolo randomly? Nah, why wouldn’t just simply reread? What’s the proof that we didn’t have thread awareness?

@WindwardAway

Because, whoever killed Eevee, they know Eevee is good at solving and would be able to solve the game faster than the rest of us (Arctic and I are still newbies and we make more mistakes as a result).

Didn’t she keep quiet about her reads and crap?

@WindwardAway

Plus, it fortifies the (mis)concept that the scum thought Eevee was an actual JoaT, while Arctic and I were both convinced the JoaTs were exactly Min and Eli, but also that Min would never protect Eli N1 because they scumread him but townread Eevee. Also, as Arctic pointed out, Eevee was townreading Maple and said Maple is never scum here.

Again… this require scum to actually push that thought and idea since it’s so specific or else they would have to rely on random luck.

@WindwardAway

@Arctic

so everyone forgot why maple was townread?..

you and light have been pushing maple in unison

This
And both have been pushing Maple only a little each day, then getting off before it becomes a real wagon. So, yes, Maple could still be scum with one of them, but I think Maple might be right and they should be last to be voted out and not first.

And has everyone forgot why Maple was scumread at all?
I’m personally pushing Maple because I have reasons to doubt their town. If you find the push is scummy, then you must believe my reasons for believing Maple is evil isn’t right then.

@WindwardAway

@Arctic

maple switched his vote to PKR stopping the rand between wind and marl, making sure marl died

Ordinarily I wouldn’t see it as necessarily towny, especially if Marl had flipped town, but considering that scum wouldn’t swap votes to bus their teammate when they had a perfectly viable ML set up, Arctic is right, Eevee is right, and I think Maple is less scummy than certain other people here.

You failed to consider that Marl was gonna die next after you were mislonched Wind. So why do that instead of just bussing Marl quickly for towncred?

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

So we’re ignoring how they’ve been hammering people and how they’ve done nothing to really contribute so far?

Mostly floof

If you believe scum are big brain, what’s to say that Maple could’ve been scum that purposely did that to bus his partner for towncred.

I was thinking that, yes. But that’s a very useless way to bus instead of just outright going “Marl is scum” and voting Marl. That would be a bus. This was a “maybe, maybe not, but let’s try this”. Also the way this conversation is going, it’s making me think otherwise. That, and my weird dream last night that I am totally not just reading into too much. Totally not.

Except that’s one way to make the bus seem more towny and to trick people into thinking you’re town. Think about it, other than that crap, what else is towny about Maple? You better not be using the stupid “too wolfy to be wolf” crap here.

@WindwardAway

@Arctic

or we could just kill in light/intensify since maple isn’t mafia

I’m leaning toward exeing one of Light/Intensify now and saving Maple for the next day. Not that the flip is going to tell us much if it’s scum, but if one of Light/Intensify flips town we can definitely yeet the other and Maple, as far as I’m concerned. If Maple flips scum, we don’t know which one to yeet. If Maple flips town, we have to yeet both.
So we have more certainty by yeeting one of Light/Intensify today

Didn’t you say a while ago it’s either Maple/PKR or Light/Me?

@WindwardAway

The funny thing is that if we’re reading activity as AI, Maple is town because scum would come and defend themselves here, wouldn’t they? Or is that just not what Maple does? Or else they’re lurking and waiting to hammer themselves, but that tells us absolutely nothing till they flip, so let’s just not.

Again… another too wolfy to be wolf clear…

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

But so far I’ve seen no sufficient evidence that proves that both me and Light are scum. If you do have some… I’d like to see that. Or else, this is just simple guessing and theorycrafting with no proof to back any of it up.

No evidence, only lack of evidence. But neither you nor Light have ever accused each other, you’re both kind of voting the same people, if anything (or else one of you abstains), and there’s been a setup on Maple at the beginning of every day.

Oh gee… perhaps it’s because we townread each other and both have actual good reasons for pushing Maple while no one else has good reasons for why Maple is town…

What setup anyways. If you’re accusing us of being scumteam and scum big braining us… why would try to setup Maple lonch each day instead of just carrying along the usual PoE?

@WindwardAway

These are good questions. Light has never been pushed as scum, unlike me. I’ve been pushed for having scummy posts, scummy actions, inconvenient timing popping in and scaring the shit out of PKR when I did so (and for some reason Light still seems to think we could be a scumteam despite PKR’s frustration with my bad timing).

I don’t see how that proves anything.
The thing is… do you think it’s because we’re somehow magically convincing you that we’re both town without doing anything… or is it because you guys never pondered the though of Light is scum cause he’s been generally towny.

@WindwardAway

I don’t think you and Light are wrong for your reasons of townreading each other, but I’m thinking it’s not enough . There isn’t enough there in either of your posts for me to think that you hard townread each other. Sure, I agreed with the general townread on both of you, but it’s come down to one of you being scum, and it seems weird that one of you could have pocketed the other by essentially not doing much except for agreeing on reads and townreading the other. There’s a better chance than I initially thought of you both being scum, let’s put it that way. There’s also a chance that only one of you is scum, but in that case one of you still has to be wrong for townreading the other, which tells me that one of you isn’t looking closely enough.

So are we scum together or not now? You’re leaving a bunch of holes in this

[Intensify]

What’s the votecount now?

[Arctic]

if you read the thread then you would know the answer to that question

read wind’s wallpost, the one in response to what she missed
or my thing with intensify

[EliThePsycho]

maple is literally
bruh how are we not killing it

[Intensify]

Ok so apparently.

My interaction with Light suggests that we are a possible scumteam… and that’s it.

But then apperently… if doesn’t matter if one of us flips town since we just lonch the other along with Maple anyways… wtf are you guys on.

Your points directly contradict each other.

[EliThePsycho]

i do not care what the case is for oH hE woUlDn’T dO tHat
i’d bet that he is doing it specifically to confuse us (in terms of the NKA and whatnot)

[Aelin]

Really, I can essentially clear myself in a couple seconds.
@EliThePsycho how do I feel about randing scum, and does that match up any way with my play in this game?

[Aelin]

If you’ve forgotten, think back to the SFoL-1 scumchat

[Arete]

Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
Maple	Intensify,Eli	2/4
PokemonKidRyan	ArcticXI	1/4
Intensify	WindwardAway	1/4

Ping me if any of this is incorrect

[EliThePsycho]

i don’t think you’re scum that’s the thing

[EliThePsycho]

i think the team is probably maple + arctic

[Aelin]

I know
But an argument is being made for me/intensify being w/w. It’s in our best interest to show how absolutely invalid it is.

[EliThePsycho]

ok fair
i’ll give you credit
in SFoL -1 you hated being scum
of course, eventaully you came up to the task (if i remember right)
so i wouldn’t clear him purely based off of that

[Arctic]

@Intensify

So you’re willing to believe scum is doing a really odd strategy where they purposely miss a kill and bet on the town to do the rest of their work, while at the same time, praying that town doesn’t do anything to even slightly ruin their plan or else it just all fails… but you don’t believe Maple can just do some wierd voting bullcrap to make Eevee townread them… ok sure buddy.

yes

the detail you’re distorting here is the fact that the N1 failed nightkill wasn’t intentional
the ones after that were intentional after you realised that you could profit off of us thinking that scum were inactive due to the failed N1 kill

there is literally no reason for maple to vote PKR instead of marl if he was bussing

@Intensify

Ok so first who are the mislonches? I know SDA and Shurian but the other 2 are ???

illwei and PKR

@Intensify

So which one is it?

they wanted eevee out because eevee townread maple and you were setting up for a maple ML

@Intensify

If you find the push is scummy, then you must believe my reasons for believing Maple is evil isn’t right then.

you’re right to think maple is scummy but you’re ignoring the townie things he’s done
it’s less a case of me townreading maple and more a case of realising what’s going on here

@Intensify

You failed to consider that Marl was gonna die next after you were mislonched Wind. So why do that instead of just bussing Marl quickly for towncred?

well then he wouldn’t have changed his vote to PKR to let his teammate die?.. to buss him tomorrow? clearly maple had no intention of bussing here and you’re pulling at straws

[Arctic]

@EliThePsycho

i think the team is probably maple + arctic

can you please read the thread on why wind and i think it’s looking more like light/intensify
thanks

[Aelin]

actually
no
we bussed and then went afk

[EliThePsycho]

you defending maple is complete bullcrap, too

[EliThePsycho]

well, at least i did xd

[Intensify]

You guys are pushing us on the basis of “oh but Intensify and Light could be W/W” and completely ignoring everything us, and even contradicting yourselves by going “doesn’t matter since we just lonch maple + whoever wasn’t lonched next”