[Winter Event] JoaTJoaTJoaT13 - Mafia wins!

[WindwardAway]

trust me and stop tunnelling Maple today. We deal with Maple tomorrow, if anything.

[EliThePsycho]

N O
MAPLE IS
LOCKSCUM
THERE’S NO REASON FOR ME NOT TO TUNNEL THEM

[EliThePsycho]

if maple is somehow town i will scream
but that never happens

[WindwardAway]

look at the thread activity.
we wagon Maple, Maple doesn’t even show up to yeet themselves with a hammer. No defense, no nothing. Everyone thinks they’re scum. I went to sleep thinking they were scum but I unvoted to avoid a hammer.
we start to wagon Intensify and throw shade on Light, and both of them show up to defend themselves.
See the difference? Talk about a reaction test…

[Arctic]

honestly it shouldn’t really matter what happens today(?)

if intensify/light flips scum, kill the other tomorrow
if they flip town then we’ll kill maple obviously

if maple flips scum, we have another day to re-eval
if maple flips town, intensify and light are lockscum

so we should be fine so long as eli doesn’t continue… this

[EliThePsycho]

the “no resistance” arguement is flawed

[WindwardAway]

read Arctic’s post above
that’s what I’m aiming for as well. Get one of Intensify/Light today. NOT MAPLE.

[EliThePsycho]

either alignment wants to self-pres 99% of the time
so if they don’t it’s NAI

[Arctic]

as long as maple comes and places a vote, then we don’t even need eli on board
since PKR will be on intensify as well

[EliThePsycho]

b r u h
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if i’m correct and we don’t win i will s c re a m

[Intensify]

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

So you’re willing to believe scum is doing a really odd strategy where they purposely miss a kill and bet on the town to do the rest of their work, while at the same time, praying that town doesn’t do anything to even slightly ruin their plan or else it just all fails… but you don’t believe Maple can just do some wierd voting bullcrap to make Eevee townread them… ok sure buddy.

yes, that is exactly what I’m saying. because town has two newbies who have been pushing the wrong idea for them.

… wouldn’t that make the strategy even more dangerous and pointless? Newbies are random as hell… and them actually thinking of this idea is rare.

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

And second, how many of those people do you think would’ve been mislonched anyways even if scum didn’t miss nightkills?

All of them. Because if scum didn’t miss nightkills they would’ve killed Min, Eli, Eevee, and Maple/Arctic/me by now. Maple for being towncore, Arctic/me for being townread.

So wtf was the point of the strategy?

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

No because A. It confirms like 4 people and B. why fail kills to get 4 random people killed, instead of just dodging missing the kill and killing the people you want instead?

I never said both the missed kills were intentional. One might have been but the other was definitely not. Or both were unintentional but still worked in scum’s favor. They wanted to yeet within the towncore and all 4 JoaT claims were towncore, plus they had the cover of being “unaware” and somehow were not “inactive”.

Ok… but why the hell would they miss the second nightkill on purpose to push this point when town was already on the tracks of lonching within the inactive PoE and no one ever shedding doubts on it?

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

No? That doesn’t prove crap. My point still stands, this relies on scum betting on such a tiny and specific plan.

So? Who’s to say they didn’t? They saw how the threadstate was progressing, or at least one of them did, and exploited it. Simple, isn’t it?

Scum shouldn’t rely on luck… that’s just stupid, especially for a strategy like this where they need to be super lucky.

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

Oh… ok I didn’t realize Light purposed that first. Could’ve swore it was you.

He said it today. I said active and experienced scum today and yesterday. Arctic said “scum lying under the radar” first, though. But Light implied that only Arctic or I could be scum by saying “active but inexperienced”, and he has Arctic as towncore so that implies that I’m scum. You’ve townread me the whole game, so, do you think I’m scum?

No, but I don’t believe your theory since there’s holes in it.

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

I literally gave a couple reasons against how your idea of scum big braining us doesn’t make sense and now I’m apparently ambiguous or whatever.

You didn’t give reasons against it; you gave a “huh? I don’t understand” response instead.

I did?

I posted my thoughts on why scum big braining us and intentionally missing nightkills didn’t make sense.

@WindwardAway

Who, Eevee? He softed some reads but labelled Maple, Min and Eli as never scum.

And you don’t think that was totally because those were the 3 Joat claims?

@WindwardAway

There’s no resistance right now, and that doesn’t seem quite right.

This isn’t a good defense for Maple at all…
@EliThePsycho can explain why.

@WindwardAway

The Marl vote, the JoaT cc, and the hammering are all “too wolfy to be wolf”.

Not a good defense for Maple for the last time.

@WindwardAway

but the way you’re pushing Maple today when you’ve sussed Maple on previous days but not actually pushed them, despite them being a longtime scumread for you, makes me suspect you more than Maple for having let town ML other town first rather than pushing your own reads.

Wdym I haven’t pushed them, I have. Except you always said to mislonch X over Maple or whatever crap and I listened cause I thought your reasons are genuinely good. You’ve actually prevented me from truly pushing on Maple due to you insiting on your PoE.

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

Oh gee… perhaps it’s because we townread each other and both have actual good reasons for pushing Maple while no one else has good reasons for why Maple is town…

What setup anyways. If you’re accusing us of being scumteam and scum big braining us… why would try to setup Maple lonch each day instead of just carrying along the usual PoE?

Because you’re actually not. You’ve been dancing around yeeting Maple the entire time instead of pushing them as a hard scumread. Like, they’re probably lockscum for you but for some reason you don’t want to vote them right away. Why would town do that?

Because I’m not the type of townie to believe my own read is always 100% correct and no room for doubt. I listen to others, I’m not stubborn about their own reads and won’t re-eval. However though, I’m not very pleased when me and someone else I read as town are pushed as scummates just because the obvious scum did some wierd voting stuff day 1 and that’s it, whereas we have better reasons to be townread for.

@WindwardAway

@Intensify

The thing is… do you think it’s because we’re somehow magically convincing you that we’re both town without doing anything… or is it because you guys never pondered the though of Light is scum cause he’s been generally towny.

The latter. I never thought of Light as scum because I thought he was generally towny and didn’t put enough effort into my reads.

So we had no influence with you reads on us at all. together, your reads on us were indivually made and Light or me didn’t try to influence you to read each other more as town…

@WindwardAway

@EliThePsycho

maple is literally

bruh how are we not killing it

Because scum wants us to kill them, that’s why. You’re missing the whole point.

So how come you didn’t bring up this point for like all the other 3 people we’ve mislonched?

@WindwardAway

I guess the yeet order doesn’t matter too much, but one of you flipping town confirms to me that the other + Maple have to be scum, while Maple flipping scum doesn’t confirm which of you is scum. I just like having answers, and LyLo is certainly not going to involve 2/3 of you because town will have lost before that ever happens. But we get our answer faster by flipping one of you two so we know exactly who to vote out in the next two days.

And if… Maple flips town… ? Wouldn’t you get a similar conclusion then, where it has to me and Light? So what’s the difference?

@WindwardAway

@EliThePsycho

not to mention he hasn’t said anything all day

don’t you think scum would come in and defend themselves from being wagoned? there was nobody defending maple when the wagon formed. 3 of us voted maple and arctic only asked one of us to unvote while he organized his thoughts, so I unvoted.

That iself is scummy as hell then?

@WindwardAway

we start to wagon Intensify and throw shade on Light, and both of them show up to defend themselves.
See the difference? Talk about a reaction test…

Bruh I was there when you guys were wagoning me what is this…

[WindwardAway]

if maple self-votes though lol
but I guess if we know that 2/3 of Intensify/Light/Maple are scum, even if we misyeet today we’re ok as long as we get the other 2?
unless, of course, some combination of PKR/you/me are dead by then and someone else is steering the votes.

[EliThePsycho]

i should probably take a bit to calm down
but

[EliThePsycho]

my views will not change

[Aelin]

Fine
We yeet Maple today

If town - 3v2 tomorrow WITH ELI ALIVE WHO IS MECHCONFIRMED GREEN.
It doesn’t matter which one out of me/Intensify/Arctic dies, you and PKR should instantly be crossvoting, and not doing so should be taken as openwolfing.

If scum, tomorrow is a 4v1. Even if they don’t kill Eli tonight, they are still forced to do it tomorrow night unless they want to go into a 2v1 LyLo with a mechconfirmed individual.

[Aelin]

You fucking happy?

[Aelin]

Fucking Christ.

[Intensify]

yeah honestly.

I’m done with this pre-flipping bullcrap, we’ve gone through this stupid pointless process for like 5 hours now, and we don’t even know wtf Maple is…

[Arctic]

@Intensify

Ok… but why the hell would they miss the second nightkill on purpose to push this point when town was already on the tracks of lonching within the inactive PoE and no one ever shedding doubts on it?

because if mafia showed they started paying attention, then we would realise that the N1 kill was a one-off and would widen the PoE to more aware people

@Intensify

Scum shouldn’t rely on luck… that’s just stupid, especially for a strategy like this where they need to be super lucky.

no luck was needed
you already knew that’s the direction that the thread was headed in because of our early thoughts about scum being inactive

@Intensify

This isn’t a good defense for Maple at all…
@EliThePsycho can explain why.

nice pocket attempt lol

@Intensify

Wdym I haven’t pushed them, I have. Except you always said to mislonch X over Maple or whatever crap and I listened cause I thought your reasons are genuinely good. You’ve actually prevented me from truly pushing on Maple due to you insiting on your PoE.

whoa, hang on a second
you’ve never shown any resistance to lynching our previous PoE in favour of lynching maple
you’ve just been scumreading maple in the background while letting everyone else get ML’ed

[Arctic]

@EliThePsycho

my views will not change

10/10 townplay right here
if i had this mindset then we would have lost already

@Aelin

you and PKR should instantly be crossvoting, and not doing so should be taken as openwolfing.

no
if maple is town you and intensify are lockscum