[Winter Event] JoaTJoaTJoaT13 - Mafia wins!

I literally just wrote a post about it

Oh

Iā€™m blind

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Iā€™m not saying theyā€™re town by any means, but Iā€™m saying that I donā€™t want to immediately point fingers and call Maple scum just because of Marlā€™s dartboard or Mapleā€™s push on me.

I want Maple to get here and give their opinion now that the flips are done, and I will assess them once they do so.

thatā€™s
not why

Are you referring to this post Wind?

I know thatā€™s not why, but i also talked about the joat claim in my post.

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thatā€™s
not why either

Donā€™t worry, weā€™re not gonna quickhammer Maple or anything. Like I said, Iā€™m all ears as to why people might believe Maple is town

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yes, that one.

If he was scum with Marl, would he have voted on anyone else? Not self-presing isnt something I find AI, especially not isolated, but if he was scum then i would see him switching to Wind orā€¦something that would at least have potential to pick up more speed. Someone mentioned wind being a S!Joat and I dont know who said that or why, but possibility imo if pkr is scum?.

Thatā€™s kinda a paranoia of mine rn. I still need to reread over D1, but- i dont know what I was going to write here. Probably going to Iso them when I have time.

Why do you read them as wolf?

Iā€™m going to do my own thinking first, but I agree that there might be scum in there. Iā€™m for not thinking about it right now though. Yall can do what you want though, im not going to tell you.

Wind do you have info on Maple? Iā€™m pretty sure no one here intends to hammer, and you seem very anxious about the votes on them?

Fluffposting plus it kinda feels like theyā€™re just lurking around sometimes. Their Joat claim was also kinda bad and way too obviously fake. Plus people are townread them for an unknown reason that I canā€™t figure out still. All I know is that Arc reads them as town cause they shared a similar thought process one time and thatā€™s it.

Btw, if we do take what Marl said into account about Eevee vs. Maple and one of them being scum, it actually does make Maple look like town because Eevee is now mech-confirmed as town and it would be stupid for Marl to set up his own teammate for a yeet by that logic.

I think Eevee said that lol
Donā€™t read PKR and me as teammates. My inconvenient appearance was NAI and also if we were both scum, it wouldā€™ve been risky for me to nearly get my scummate yeeted. That being said, I voted out Marl, so take it as you will.

yeah, itā€™s too early for anyone to hammer anyway.
I have really mixed feelings on Maple right now because I had a light scumlean on them for a long time because of the fluffposting (despite someone else mentioning it was either NAI or towny for Maple) until the JoaT fiasco when they decided to cc JoaT, not claim which JoaT, and also claim not to know which of the other JoaT claims was fake. I scumread them for that, but Eevee said we were basically ruining the cover for the JoaTs by reading into it like that. I had said that Mapleā€™s JoaT claim was completely pointless and anti-town because thereā€™s no way scum would believe they were a JoaT if even town didnā€™t believe their claim. It makes town waste a day yeeting town in that case, which is not very helpful. Nobody believed Maple was a JoaT, or at least not a town JoaT. But on the other hand, it would be even stupider for scum to do this because it sets them up for a ā€œlol this is fake, letā€™s yeetā€.

That being said, itā€™s always going to be a question of ā€œdid they do this as town to cause chaos but had very inappropriate timing, or did they do this as scum to make us think itā€™s too foolish of a move to be scum?ā€ at least from my point of view.

I went to townreading Maple for a while after that, and then flipped to scumreading them again, and now Iā€™m just completely unsure where Mapleā€™s slot stands. Theyā€™ve done a good job of making themselves look vague, to put it one way, and at least by now my reads on min, Eevee and Eli being town seem to be mech confirmed. Thereā€™s just nothing confirming Maple either way, unless theyā€™re going to claim to have taken an action last night.

*I should add, I was scumleaning Maple not only for fluffposting at the beginning, but also for voting min pretty quickly after Arctic did, along with Eli.

but it looks like Maple likes to jump into vote chaos, so Iā€™m not really sure what that says about their alignment or if it says anything at all. They were scumreading me for sure into EoD, but their votes were also jumping around and only landed on me once, but jumped off me and onto PKR in the end for some reason.

How much did Marl go into this theory or whatever?

Also from what I understand youā€™re saying Wind, you believe Maple was town because the actions they preformed were too scummy to make sense from a scum perspective correct?

maple is town
isnā€™t it obvious now scum were just lurking in the thread like marl and letting town create our own chaos

scumteam is probably in light/derps/illwei/shurian

How does that prove Maple is town exactly???

i was the first person to say mapleā€™s play makes less sense from scum than as town

granted it was dumb either way but yeah

Alrightā€¦

So apperently Mapleā€™s only defense is ā€œActions were too scummy to be preformed from a scumā€

Or for why people believe they are townā€¦

Yeah Iā€™m not exactly convincedā€¦

they said at least several times that Maple and Eevee were interchangeable in their dartboard, and that if one flipped town the other had to be scum.

yes, thatā€™s what I was saying, or at least what I thought. but a smart scum could also do that on purpose, so Iā€™m on the fence about it.

I feel like usually scumteams have one very interactive member and the rest of them lurk until voting time, actually, but idk.

I confirm Arctic said it first.