Yet Another Pretender rework

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@Soulshade55r

Alchemist wants scum out as soon as possible for the quickest win sam-ish with pret I feel like my argument still stands

I guess it works both ways. In my eyes, letting Prince die as Alchemist is optimal. But I suppose if you want scum out ASAP, Prince staying around is good. But by letting BD die the game ends pretty fast, but you do have more chances to die… guess my own playstyle isn’t optimal hehehe

Pretender is weird. I don’t like debating Pretender because I really do think they need a massive rework. But as it stands, Pretender is pretty BD sided. Pretender King usually favors scum, but not always.

@Soulshade55r

Maybe we could change it to not be able to copy unique-Bd classes, I think it becoming classes like Sellsword/Assassin would be good if it wasn’t able to remeber evil unique classes it would be mega bd sided. as the only real evils that aren’t unique is Fool(This is even debatable), Non-CL cult and third unseen members

I could sort of agree with that. Not being able to copy Prince allows for a lot more diversity, because copying Prince would be optimal more times than not.

I do have concerns with copying cultseen and the faction cap, having a 3rd potential MM, etc etc. Having a third MM seems pretty insane, after all. Dno how others would feel about that.

@Soulshade55r

Not to burst your bubble but the point was the optimal play would be to wait to see who’s likely to win yes bd win more often, this is why I wanted this class to target jailed players ect. Maybe even execution targets but that might be overkill. But bd only win like 45% of the time cult and unseen have a pretty high win ratio and if you think one sides going to lose it’s always optiomally best to side with the other side as any neutral.

If this Pretender could copy the Prince, then I still think copying Prince would be optimal most of the time. But lets assume they can’t.

I said most of what I said before without considering it’s one time death immunity, with that it can safely think about what to copy for a bit. Probably 3-4 nights. In that case, you’d absolutely be correct. Optimally you just try to side with whoevers winning and let them snowball even more. The problem being you have to pick the right person in the right night… unless

@Soulshade55r

this is why I wanted this class to target jailed players ect. Maybe even execution targets but that might be overkill.

Execution targets is definitely overkill… jailed targets though… just maybe.

At least I can confidently say we both agree that Pretender needs a massive rework

@Soulshade55r I almost forgot to do this! I caught myself!