1.0.14 Patch Notes

Official Announcements
#21

I understand knight and death knight, but why inquisitor? Inquisitor needs a nerf/rework, not a buff. It’s OP enough as is.

Can you also add a feature to report players in game? It’s annoying to have to wait until the end to report people.

I like the idea behind this, but tornado should have unlimited uses and magical barrier should only have 3 uses.

I agree that knight needs a buff, but this isn’t enough and isn’t the correct way to buff hum. Change it to this instead:

Savior - if you are attacked at night, then you will be the only one affected by the attack.

Also, add another passive:

Retaliate - if you die at night, then you will kill your attackers and all visitors.

I like these, but possessor should be able to have trollbox as a day ability. It fits the theme of the class.

#22

I agree inquisitor really needs a rework. He does need a buff and a nerf at the same time really. (he has too much impact on the game as a whole, yet he really sucks at actually catching the sorcerer, as magic dust is so strong there’s no sane reason to actually believe a magic user result when the sorcerer is alive)

Right now IMO when it comes to inquisitor itself, cult has good reason to be terrified of it, BD has good reason to not trust it after the sorcerer lives, unseen is relatively unconcerned with it. The inq itself is best served sitting on it’s ass calmly claiming inquisitor, never calling out or stabbing at magic users until after the sorcerer is dead, and betting on the BD finding the sorc before his immunity is shredded. That being said, in the past sorc itself is so weak that usually that means a free win. No idea on after this find unseen/cult buff though.

He’s OP becaue his win is very likely secure as his job is most likely going to be done by someone else very early on, he’s OP because after taht, he has a huge ability to impact the course of the game. He’s underpowered in that he’s among the least capable of doing his actual job.

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#23

This is a step in the right direction, I agree, but I feel that maybe it should be similar to the Inquisitor’s passive; having one chance of immunity before dying. A Knight should be able to fend off his own attackers.

I like most of the Court Wizard change except for one bit. I still feel that Tornado should be able to change the targets of occupy immune players, because this isn’t changing the Butler or something, this is changing the target.

This was a much needed ability. Thank you.

However, I feel that seeing whispers is a bit OP for the possessor to have. It’s my opinion though.

Wouldn’t doing this basically make the Sorcerer a fourth/fifth member of the Unseen/Cult? It would be a bit overpowered, unless the win rate for the Sorcerer is the lowest among the three Neutral Killers.

It was funny as an Unseen to see a Sheriff get killed by a Hunter’s Retribution because the Scorned framed the Hunter, but it was definitely not fun when you were the Sheriff. This is a nice change.

However, I feel that needing decreased chances of classes isn’t as necessary.

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#24

sorcerer and inquisitor needs to be changed dramatically. Inquisitor is BD who really can’t be counter claimed, sorcerer is evil faction who finds their allies later.

My suggestion is make sorcerer like an alch: just wants to survive, has ability to kill (probably inquisitor).

Inquisitor would remain pretty much the same, but sorcerer would become an alch that is always immune to death except when it is inquisitor killing

#25

Still haven’t played with Sorceror or Inquisitor but I’m seeing some very valid cases against this change and for a bit of a rework

#26

Personally I have no negative views on this change. I honestly like the idea of sorc having a chance to find allies if he’s going to have them. But I think he needs to be stronger against BD/king investigatives, and weaker against inquisitor as it is.

Were I to write these from scratch I’d probably do

Return magic dust to old form, (frame one person 3 uses). Make sorc appear BD to king and make his kills unfollowable with observer. Knight guards and hunter just canceling out the attack rather than killing either.

The not killing unseen/cult IMO I don’t really have a problem with it. In my loss history with sorc so far, my deaths have been

  1. Died to knight
  2. Caught by king
  3. walked into bear (2x)
  4. Listed as immune in assasains journal (cant’ really blame him, he probably assumed it was a possesor, and I did unknowingly kill the first convert, and him back to back)
  5. Poisoned by assasain 15 seconds after claiming phys to prince. (thus taking away any sane option of asking for a heal)

so, in 6 losses as sorc… the only thing that HASN’T posed the least bit of a threat to me so far… is the damn role that is supposed to be it’s bane. I haven’t been killed by, or seen one of them actually pose a real threat to any live sorcerer. Nor can I really understand how it’s supposed to be with magic dust the way it is.

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#27

Would someone mind explaining what exactly counts as a negative effect? Does it block a hunter wolf for example since it isnt a direct attack? Will it block stuff as a possessor forcing you to attack someone else or an Illusionist trying to mindwarp you?

#28

occupy, mindwarp frame, conversion, etc.

#29

Just added this info to the wiki.

#30

Ah yeah, I <3 most of the CW changes. The only one I’m iffy about is Tornado not effecting occupation immune players but we’ll see how it works.

It is very good to see Magic Barrier back, though! That ability was so underestimated the last time CW had it, but keeping that on any outed BD Investigator is just so powerful. ^^

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The devs are taking Possessor in an interesting direction, too. Not only can we now jump to multiple people (and edit their logs) but we can also edit their class now as well with Face Lift. :thinking: I can see this being used in really devious ways to fan suspicion on others while keeping it off of the Possessor itself.

Example: 1 Observer already dead, but you believe there may be another in game for whatever reason. You jump to a Physician’s body, rewrite their logs to that of an Observer’s, Face Lift -> Jump again… and now there are two confirmed Observer’s dead, with one person possibly alive claiming it… The trial for that day could be spent on that third Observer claim or maybe if you’re really lucky the Prince will execute them the following night. =o

I definitely can not wait to try out the new Possessor.

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#31

I’m looking foward to seeing the psychic trolling, on both fronts. By that I mean, assasain dies… tells psychic he was (whatever his fake logbook said). claims he was jumped into and his real body is (picks a random probable BD)

And of course the oposite. drop the old body as sorc, and claim inquisitor. Hope nobody trusts the appearing sorc’s claim.

The biggest idea to me, is when you are evil, troll the psychic, keep claiming a good role and that you were possesed. and if you are possesor, drop your old husks as evil roles (so that a psychic doubts them).

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#32

I think poss buff might be a bit too much. Now to win as poss:
-Step 1: Make sure psychics are dead.
-Step 2: Jump and make your body appear as sorcerer.
-Step 3: Claim that you were inquisitor and that you won already

#33

What do you do if a princess puts you as killer/offensive? Or when someone asks you for your logs of magic users? Or when that person had claimed to someone else in jail or something already. Or if the Unseen/Cult attack you twice. Or if you are poisoned/bleeding. Or if people decide Neuts out and kill you regardless.

#34

The report drop down doesn’t work for the last category.

It’s supposedly for throwing, but it doesn’t register, it goes to “targeted harassment” instead.

#35

Mmm, I honestly believe intelligent players will “test” the Inquisitor claim to see if it checks out before taking it for granted. To do that, they can simply try occupying them with Butler/Drunk or have a Princess flirt with them.

if it’s really that big of a problem for most though, just make it so Possessor can’t Face Lift to Inquisitor/Sorcerer/Reaper.

#36

Princess - you probably lose
Magic users - give 3 days of all magic users for the 3 days the “sorc” was alive, then guess mostly non-magic users, hope you don’t happen to include a psychic or CW.
Claimed in jail - Of course I lied, what kind of an idiot would claim a neutral role in jail
Unseen/cult attacks you twice - unless they get majority, they don’t really have high credibility with the BD, also pretty uncommon for them to burn 2 kills on the same target after it fails
poisoned/bleeding - welp that kind of forces a new jump. drop the old body as inquisitor and move on to a new identity.
Neuts out - yeah that is what people will need to learn to do to that for exactly this reason.

#37

I think a better-poss strat would be:

-make yourself look like inquisitor after psych dead
-have a fake log full of calling random people magic user
-watch on as they execute them >:D

#38

dunno, would anyone be stupid enough to execute a supposed magic user when the sorcerer is alive? I mean off the bat anyone who’s played knows 1/3rd of inquisitor checks are going to be false positives.

#39

What notification do you get if you try to occupy a person protected by magic barrier? That they were immune? Or that you were prevented?

I don’t like facelift and I don’t like magic barrier if it reports immune instead of prevented. I think these changes just muddy social deduction. I’ve already had a game where a butler was hanged because 1 butler had died and possessor used facelift to disguise as butler. I also had a game where a butler was hung for claiming a psychic was occ immune, and later the CW said he barriered the psychic.

Players can lie and lie, but death should (even allowing for rare exception of defile) tell the truth and we should be able to reasonably rely on death. And we should (even allowing for mindwarp or frame) to rely on the results of our night abilities.

#40

Depending on who is asked, isn’t the exact oposite true. At least to many social deduction, is figuring things out based on what people say and do, catching behavior changes when their objective changes etc… and it’s antithesis is process of elimination or abilities that tell you flat out etc…