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Off-Topic (Thronepass)
#20713

Scum roleblockers
Scum kp
STRONGMAN and NINJA scum

#20714

or rather, not as powerful. this could slow the arms race

#20715

Most roles don’t self resolve
Most setups (even mashes) only need 1-2 strong town investigatives

#20716

what im saying is, y’all are limiting yourselves by just making the claim punishment the claimant dying

(yeah i know thats not what a claimant is but the term sounds so nice here!)

#20717

Desperado, Innocent Child, Mason. Any role that can avoid the lynch just by claiming is self-resolving.

Wolves need to be able to secure a decent % of MLs to win. If every villager can escape the lynch just by claiming, then that breaks setups.

I also advise against putting too many alignment checks in the game otherwise this can clear way too many players way too quickly.

#20718

The problem is that people design setups where town has insane amounts of power across all players.
Literally everyone is a PR, which is a problem for setup design

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#20719

Like bleeding claimers instead? Hated modifier applied to them if they claimed

#20720

thats just killing them with extra steps

#20721

and not as much of a punishment

#20722

For my DR setup I’m basically making everyone have just a small and cohesive kit to themselves. In short, every player will have their own niche instead of being a JOAT-y role.

#20723

This issue can be solved by not including more than one or two self resolving town roles, alongside giving scum options to kill these players

#20724

sideways thinking.
perhaps scum have a strong-man occupier, that can only target people whove claimed, can be used multiple times per night, but can only be used on a particular person a certain number of times. maybe this number increases with the severity of the claim

#20725

There’s also slank vigs and KP like day vigs tend to be self-resolving as well.

#20726

I get. I’m fairly sure the game will turn out well
I just have a massive hatred of claimvig

#20727

But the problem is that without it then it’ll just be non-stop mass-claiming.

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#20728

it just kinda feels bad to have anyone that claims be thanos-snapped away

#20729

see this

#20730

Wolf Dayvigs are completely fine to add to setups if you adjust faction size accordingly
Hell, my original draft for clown fiesta had 3 main scum + an sk team, with one being an even dayvig

#20731

Which is why my two tiers of claim-vigs are going to exist. Once you get the CV out, you pretty much can claim up to half your role and the claim vig loses its strongman effect.

#20732

Hmm, maybe I’m going to incorporate the CV into the Despair Counter.

Allow the Despair Counter to go too high and the claimvig becomes stronger.