Well, orange and Arete are doing exactly that
Yes
But I’m just confused as to how you are reading that as a problem
sorry, let me be more specific
nobody is telling you that FoL is bastard because of unknown mechanics
It’s not wrong to call something what it is when that word is merely a descriptor
Correct
Because why should I push FoL into the same category as other bastard games, like when the host is actively lying to his players for his own delight
Can you explain why it’s bastard? Just because conversion?
Because you don’t?
Like there are very often categories that contain both good and bad things
They are many different levels and ways a game can be bastard.
I don’t see why we draw the line at this category in particular
Actually I take back what I said about FoL not being very bastard there’s flip changing
if a forum of lies setup was hosted on a different site it’d be seen as a bastard setup
to us it’s fine, because we’re used to it from ToL and from past FoL games - it’s normalized to us
FoL has everything. Changing flips, changing logs, changing invest results, changing wincon
It has a number of mechanics that would generally be accepted as bastard for their possibility to drastically change what an individual player needs to do to win, as well as a large number of mechanics that some would read as borderline bastard, which places it squarely in that camp
Do you mean ToL?
We ditched logs
we had logs as recently as FoL25
What
Why did those come back
Or am I just tripping