Analyzing the D2 King Whisper Meta (Again)

#61

The King would be the only one in the townblock who you can be certain of on a day-to-day basis

#62

I know I attempt these gambits almost all the time regardless of my class and night results.

It works better when WKM isn’t in play

#63

Also, how do you approach it when BD is unwilling to play along? Or what experience do you have towards people’s reactions?

#64

Which means that everyone knows that he is a member of every townblock. Meaning compromising him compromises every townblock simultaneously

#65

Usually the approach is trial and error. If one person doesn’t listen then I whisper someone else instead. Sometimes I continue pushing and accuse them openly if I get enough pushback without justification.

#66

I mean, on a general scale, how does scum and town differ in their reactions?

#67

DM me if you ever want to discuss these secrets :wink:

#68

Scum are generally less likely to claim when randomly asked. It isn’t foolproof as some classes such as Prince also tend to not claim too so I make sure that it is clear when I am about to openly accuse them so they have a last chance to claim. This usually works.

Most people request my class in response but are otherwise willing to claim

In otherwords refusal to claim to a directed request is a scum lean while actually claiming is NAI

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#69

Luckily I am not trying to find scum when I try these. I am usually whispering townreads afterall unless I already have a strong scumread (that’s when I push onto the stand on refusal). The whole point is to build a townblock. This is why I always whisper Alchemist claims. Say what you want about the claiming alchemist strategy, a pocket Alch is a useful tool regardless of who you are and it makes them more likely to side with you later

#70

I feel like we are both poker players, Marcus :joy:

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#71

I don’t gambit as scum as often as I should. If you make a whisper buddy throughout the game and keep them alive, they are likely to not push you later on. Definitely a AtE play, but surprisingly effective.

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#72

I dunno, I’ve met a lot of stubborn, paranoid BD out there…

But yes, I agree with this.

This is what I refer to as the Polarity Principle, such that if a player is seeming incredibly scummy or suspicious, they tend to be polarized to either hard scum or exactly Prince and it becomes a dangerous coin flip at times.

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#73

lol

The only way a claim vig can ever work is if you have to submit their exact class with your kill

And that’s just weird and unnecessary for a RTSDG imo

#74

Personally I’ve always called it “scum or Prince” but to each their own

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#75

You gave it away when you started talking about +/-EV over an infinite number of games xD

I understand some of the concepts, it’s surprisingly how much you can overlap it with forum mafia

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#76

To be fair there’s actually a lot of statistical analysis that goes into FM too

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