Bastard (Neutral Social)

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#1

Bastard (Neutral Social)

Passive 1: Tainted blood
Can step up to be king. If you are voted up you will always become a crazed king

Passive 2: Hardened
Night immune

Day Ability 1: Private matter
Your next whisper is anonymous and silent (unlimited uses)

Night Ability 1: Watch closely
Get someones exact class (4 uses)

Goal: Become King and have the blue dragon lose

Lore:
The kings bastard son who wants the throne he feels is rightfully his.

Comments:
His watch closely can be used on the king to see his alignment. The crazed king is like an evil king except he also wins with nk’s

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#2

Pretty evil faction sided for a neutral tbh. 4 uses of a night ability that strong is definitely too much. I also feel like it’s not a social class, only the day ability fits that and it’s very minor.

I think it’s spelled Bastard with 2 a’s btw :stuck_out_tongue:

#3

The role being mostly evil sided is on purpose. The significance of it being neutral is that a new king can be evil without the evils knowing it. It also means that you can have an evil noble in a cult game.

The reason the ability has 4 uses is because if the king gets linched as soon as he can be then you would have exactly enough nights to use all 4 uses. This isn’t as powerful as you might think Because you can’t easily reveal your info.

The reason why he is social is because the point of role abilities is to trick others into thinking the king is not on thier side. Knowing who to convince of what is important for that.

FYI I’m of the mindset that classes like scorned and fool should be social

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#4

I actually love this class, I can see it being very fun to play. I also love the lore behind it too. Starting the game off similar to a Scorned, but trying to overthrow the king. That is SO good, and him being the bastard son of the king is great lore.
The Day Ability is the same as the one I had for my social class and I love it. Especially in this setting, you could use Private Matter to keep trying to find the Evils so that they know to vote you up/ help get you onto the throne.

I loved everything I read until the Night Ability. If he had this he would be far too “investigative” for a social class. Same reason why they nerfed the Psychics ability to see peoples alignment. I definitely don’t think that he should have that ability, feels off. But I do love the idea that he can find out the kings alignment, that FOR SURE should be part of it.
I can see the scenario now, he finds out the king is Evil… convinces the Evils to vote up and kill their evil king… and then he becomes the true new evil king… that would be so… EVIL!

There is another post a few days ago on buffing the king, I would love if both of those happened, some of those buffs, and this Neutral Bastard Class.

Side note: This whole class could also be a thing if he was truly just neutral and stayed neutral even when he takes the throne.

#5

First off, try to avoid this word I’d say, in general, but especially in the name. Do you think there is ever gonna be a chance the game would have a class with this name?

Ain’t that Royal Blood? Also, why would you be an evil king? You are Neutral. If one of your abilities make you an evil King you might as well side with the evils from the beginning, since you can win with them anyway. Becoming an evil King completely ruins the concept of Neutral classes.

Neutral classes are usually not Night immune for a reason. If you are night immune, what’s the point of siding with the evils? Ruins the neutral concept once again.

This sounds like an investigative ability, which again has nothing to do in a Neutral class since they win with everyone. Neutrals don’t need info. They just need to win.

Same as in the first ability ^^ This is not a neutral class.

Why would he wanna know the faction of the King if his goal is to kill him anyway?

Sorry if I look a bit too aggressive, just giving you some feedback : p You’re probably gonna have to rework this : p
Good luck!

#6

I like the idea of a Bastard Noble or something akin.

I think the alignment should be Neutral Evil.

That becomes a Neutral Killer.

#7

The thing about the name is the least tbh. I don’t really care about the name that much, but all the abilities make the class evil x) It could probably become a killer if the abilities changed, which they should : p

#8

I think this class should become a killer class.

A unique killer class.

Not the serial killer king.

#9

Perhaps, to keep with the neutral tone, we can have a Corrupt King. His goal. To be the only one in the kingdom with power.

#10

Also, it is Bastard. Not Basterd.

#11

I feel like this is a bit powerful for a social class, even the Nightwatch can only investigate 2 players for exact roles.

Other than that, I think that the class would be a welcome addition imo.

#12

This class being suted towards evils is the whole point of the class. He is considered neutral because if he wasn’t he would be part of the evil night chat and would thus serve no more use than the aristocrat. The main point of the role is to A. Make evils think twice before murdering the new king, B. increase the odds that a noble king is evil and C. To put more pressure on the starting king.

Tainted blood is indeed almost the same as noble blood. The difference is that he becomes an evil king instead of a neutral king.

The reason why night immunity doesn’t mean won’t side with evils is because evils have a reason to support him in completing his goal much like the scorned.

As for the consig ability, if you have alternative suggestions I am open to them, I would like to keep the ability to check the kings faction tho (possibly as a separate ability?) The reason being that your trying to convince the bd that he is evil and the evils that he is bd. If you know his alignment then you have some idea as to how he might react to specific actions and plan accordingly. Plus if he is evil you might be able to strike a deal with him.

#13

For the corrupt king idea. Could you define “in power” for me? It seems vague

#14

Any alternative suggestions for a night ability?

#15

Basically.

The only one that has power.

Basically.

You have to kill all the Killer classes.

#16

So basically you need to kill the: Knight, Hunter, Prince, Assassin, Possessor and Reaper. Does he need to kill cult leader? And what would the abilitys be? Just a normal King’s?

#17

No idea.
It’s just an idea concept.

#18

I tried this before and it honestly didn’t work out tbh. Good to see someone trying though!

#19

What exactly do you mean? Did you try out the class in FoL or just a similar class? What went wrong and is it something that can be fixed?

#20

I’m taking all ideas that have been discussed in this post and compiling them into what I think this should look like.

The Heir

Neutral Social

Goal: Become the King and survive to the end

Passive 1: Royal Blood

  • Can step up as royalty. If voted up you will become Neutral King

Passive 2: Strong Will

  • Night Immune once

Day Ability: Private Matters (unlimited)

  • Your next whisper is anonymous and silent to others
  • Your message will appear to your recipient as being from “The Heir”

Night Ability: Plot to Overthrow (2-3 charge)

  • Gain an extra vote towards the current king only the following day

Lore: The Kings bastard son who seeks to claim the throne that is rightfully his

Potential Edit: You could swap his day and night ability. Since the message is something you could send at night (like a private Noble message) you could do that, then have the day ability to the “overthrow” mechanic, similar to what the king himself has… that might feel better.

I originally loved the idea of him becoming an Evil King… but this would cause too many problems. Once people are getting messages from this “Bastard/ Heir” then they would immediately know this class is in the game (since no-one else can whisper like that) and all Blue Dragon would be skeptical of anyone voted up to be king that has not confirmed themselves as another role.
Him being Neutral feels a lot better from a gameplay perspective and you would be doing everything in your power (using goods and evils) to overthrow you father and become king. That doesn’t need to have an “Evil” theme to it, and once you are king, you can now just try and survive as a Neutral King.
This is one of my favorite class ideas, good job man. Lots of great feedback from the community too.