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#41

So does assassinate.

#42

Replace prince with literally any other class in the game and explain why it is different there.

#43

But guard prevents rhat

#44

Not if you time it right. And plus thatā€™s an independent kill which is OP for a convert like Butler.

#45

It kills them if itā€™s a evil king

#46

65%

#47

Or 100% if itā€™s elected.

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#48

Itā€™s not being outplayed in those scenarios either? Except maybe if the drunk coordinates with a knight to CS someone who is night immune via HH?

Iā€™m not sure what your point was there.

#49

Fine :frowning:

#50

Why is it a problem with Prince then?

#51

Use your words and convince him not to execute you. Itā€™s been done before.

#52

Sorry m8 but there is a converteddrunk and a assasin leftā€¦

And a king who died during trial

#53

Also the Counterplay is:

A: Cw on you

B: Hang the Alchaholic

C: Hang the assassin

D: execute the Alchaholic first

E: Donā€™t out yourself.

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#54

So servant is bad

Converted drunk HH is good?

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#55

Again I would also support it effecting Drunk too. There is no good reason not to.

And no. Potential missfires is not a good reason not to.

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#56

I was talking about whether itā€™s actually ā€œoutplayingā€ prince to HH him because Firekitten brought it up as a point of defense. Itā€™s not a point of defense. Using Ritualist to swap away the healers and kill the prince is outplaying someone. Poisoning the king so that healers go to him and you kill the prince through night immunity with HH would be outplaying him.

Spamming HH on him is not outplaying him.

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#57

If you are using HH randomly then you are doing it wrong.

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#58

I use it when there is few left

#59

Yes but at that time you should have enough info for it not to be random.

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#60

A doesnā€™t work at all because Alcoholic/Drunk are redirect immune (and I pointed this out at the start - please read my posts). B and C are fine if you know who they are as is D. If your only option is E then the game is pretty much over.

Tbh if you got HHā€™d out of an execution then youā€™d probably go with C anyway. And then hang a fool 'cause you were against 2000 IQ Unseen.

EDIT: Oh wait, barrier protects against HH - ok scratch that then CW does work.

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