Butler is awful, new change is great but also worse

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#21

I don’t remember seeing any explicit servays but I have seen a general understanding that Drunk debauchery is just better than Butler Wine outside of very spacific situations.

#22

While that is true this rework was not giving butler the right abilities

#23

Maybe we should remove the drunks Immunity from his targets attack? Or maybe remove his Occupy Immunity?

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#24

Or possibly we could make the butler a jailkeeper that gives the target night Immunity if the occupy succeeds kinda similar to a very old ice ward.

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#25

Or we could remove Occupy (but not redirection) Immunity from some classes such as Mastermind.

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#26

htm please disregard anything about the rework. It wasn’t a good idea and I’ve already removed it from my post.

The surveys I’ve seen were on Reddit. I apparently can’t recall the phrasing used by some of them, as I was only able to find one in my quick search just now:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScqPpIIY_8yPr1Ihc3HccaQLUaW0rW_TK1PUt0w34KFLVarHQ/viewanalytics

This one puts butler ahead of only court wizard and noble (who I agree are more flawed, I just have less to contribute to those discussions besides “THEY’RE BAD”).

#27

Or we could make butler’s wine remove night Immunity and make Happy hour loose that effect (But still be an Immunity bypassing Occupy)

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#28

Note: I was not thorough with any of these ideas. Im just spit balling.

#29

Butler has just received great buffs and Drunks have received nerfs. Party now goes through occupy immunity and butler poison is undetectable and kills in a single night. Happy hour is less confirmable as the message was removed. Outdated statistics are really not relevant anymore in my opinion in light of those changes. I think this patch should sink in first before we talk about changing Butler again.

I am really surprised you feel this way about Butler. Just a while ago, a thread about Butler being too pseudo-investigative with recognizing occupy immunity was made. He is one of the best candidates for finding the Neutral killer and I always try to kill butlers very fast as Possessor/Sorcerer, because claiming occupy immune roles is difficult.

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#30

I don’t really see anything wrong with him

I liked some of NuclearBurrito’s ideas though

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#31

True here is a poll to see if people find butler fun or not

  • Butler Is Fun!
  • Don’t know!
  • Butler Isn’t Fun!

0 voters

#32

It isn’t that butler can’t do anything. It’s that drunk does it better. That’s as far as primary Ability’s go anyway.

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#33

You’re asking the wrong question. He is fairly fun. But his problem is that he is weak in comparison to the drunk

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#34

You should be asking if he needs changing.

#35

No we don’t want provable classes get out of my game

#36

To big of a nerf to give butler a buff

#37

Butler is literally the only BD that occupies and doesn’t pierce occupy immunity.

#38

If you make all classes unconfrimable you’re basically making everyone almost untrustable

#39

Isn’t that a good thing?

#40

We don’t want it to pierce night immunity In my opinion. When I am drunk I say HEY NK you want to kill somone kill this guy who is immune who’s getting hh