Can we get rid of this lame gimmick?

[NuclearBurrito]

Noble is already a class. This is a new class.

[NuclearBurrito]

Noble = Spy or Whisper manipulator

Merchant = Vote/Trial manipulator

Money is the bigger influence of power in a court believe it or not.

[Shrimpy]

eh you have a point, but i still like the idea of a corrupt politician (noble) casting his own vote twice lol

[NuclearBurrito]

We have a king for that.

[TinyDeer]

Gosh, I could not disagree with this more.

Dead have to be involved in some way or else everyone will just leave when they die. Any time there is a DK, the dead have to actively put their heads together to decide what to do. It keeps the game so engaging for the dead. That alone is worth its inclusion. A DK is potentially game-changing but not overpowered - I often am unable to accomplish anything as a DK, but sometimes help win the game. That is a dynamic feature.

@Aquillion

I like the DK as it is. Interactions with the dead are necessary to keep them engaged, which is desirable overall - if people leave the moment they die, engagement with the game overall diminishes. The game either needs to have a fair number of dead interactions, and powerful ones, or none at all, and I’m absolutely not in favor of going for none at all.

Beyond that, I feel that evils should always be punished for being too obvious, regardless of what stage of the game it’s at. The point where evils can afford to be completely obvious should be after the game has already ended. DKs help contribute to that, and reduce late-game situations where the game becomes boring because absolutely everything is known 100%.

Yes, you’ve said it perfectly here. The inclusion of a DK, along with no public system note of the rezz, means that it is always risky for Unseen/Cult to play sloppily. That’s also a good feature. DK adds so many positives to the game.

[Aquillion]

@Shrimpy

At the moment it is not fair that BD has DKs and evil can’t even talk to their dead.

I strongly disagree with this reasoning. ToL is an asymmetric game; different factions should have different capabilities. It’s boring for absolutely everything to have both good / evil variations. (Granted, it’s a good idea when it’s necessary to keep someone from proving. But I’m not sure that’s the case here.)

I wouldn’t be totally opposed to an evil that can talk to the dead (it’d be interesting if the Reaper could see the dead chat, although they don’t necessarily need the buff), but I definitely don’t agree with the argument that every side needs the same abilities for “fairness.”

[orangeandblack5]

But not on the already strong Physician

[NightX]

What if the Death Knight had no time limit, but instead just had one Cold Steel?

It’s a great way to have the dead participate, but nerfs it enough to work on the Physician.

[NuclearBurrito]

@orangeandblack5

But not on the already strong Physician

How about we put it on the CW as a day Ability and give the physician Exhumain again?

[Shrimpy]

BTW guys I don’t disagree that DK is really fun, it’s just it’s not balanced.

[Shrimpy]

or just remove redirect immunity from all classes so CW swaps can be impactful

[NuclearBurrito]

That has nothing to do with this conversation. We are talking about this spacific ability.

[orangeandblack5]

Or just make CW bypass it?

Honestly not a fan of making Drunk more powerful

[NuclearBurrito]

Well whatever they do they need to make it expliset.

[Livicus]

Or just bring back Priest variant and give Phys exhume

[Chocolate]

I agree with that.

DKs that say “10 is Possessor!” just kill the point.

I get that psychic and illusionist are both hardcounters (unless you make possess targets UNABLE TO TALK) but not Physician too.