Catgrill Night Jesterless - [2/7] - Jester won. Even two of them

[KyoDaz]

@clonedcheese

Intensify is being really aggressive which I’m not sure i like

why

[clonedcheese]

@Intensify

These two posts contradicting each other is a little scummy, but not exactly super scummy in any way since I would expect wolves to have a proper rigid agenda that they’re gonna follow and not just quickly change thoughts out of no where without progression.

@Intensify

In a world where Light is town, this type of response probably describes Light be shocked at how fast the push was. Something like “oh cool I will pressure Gorta so that he will po- HOLY CRAP WHY IS HE AT L-1”
I can probably maybe see that coming from town Light or just any townie in general, be a little startled by the fact that the person they just pushed is suddenly L-1 in like 20 minutes.

But in a world where Light is scum he can also think the exact thing.

Scum can also probably think “Oh hey I’m pushing Gorta cause ez mislonch bait go brr- WOAH OK THEN.”

Think you can probably classify these as “performative” as someone framed above
Like where are you getting any of these reads from with only around 100 actual posts

[KyoDaz]

@Intensify

This is a post of Light basically going “oh crap wtf why is Gorta at L-1” after pushing Gorta…

Maybe I’m just stupid or overthinking this whole thing but this specific post intrigues me cause I wonder if this type of reaction after pushing someone like Gorta would come from town or scum.

See

In a world where Light is town, this type of response probably describes Light be shocked at how fast the push was. Something like “oh cool I will pressure Gorta so that he will po- HOLY CRAP WHY IS HE AT L-1”
I can probably maybe see that coming from town Light or just any townie in general, be a little startled by the fact that the person they just pushed is suddenly L-1 in like 20 minutes.

But in a world where Light is scum he can also think the exact thing.

Scum can also probably think “Oh hey I’m pushing Gorta cause ez mislonch bait go brr- WOAH OK THEN.”

So I’m basically going in circles with these thoughts right now and I’m absolutely getting no where, however @Light, I wanna ask you, what were your thoughts at the time behind this post? Like it’s obvious you were shocked but I’m wondering if you can give us more about this, cause this posts sorta stands out as an outlier in your ISO of basically complete aggression towards Gorta.

Post is probably NAI when I think about it… but I don’t know… it being an outlier in the entire ISO is just… too interesting to ignore.

I just wanted to share that.

The word choice of his paragraphs are
Oml. He’s saying ‘probably’ like every other sentence
Oh my god can we kill him already? lol

[KyoDaz]

@clonedcheese

Like where are you getting any of these reads from with only around 100 actual posts

I don’t think it’s impossible for a villager to push a very strong angle early
But if you’re interested you should ask Intensify

[clonedcheese]

im less worried that he’s doing it
im worried that this is not a normal intensify thing that i remember

[KyoDaz]

ok
and what alignments do you remember him as?

[clonedcheese]

as town
or as scum
i just don’t remember him being this aggressive

[KyoDaz]

ok
and why are you worried about this not being a normal thing?

[clonedcheese]

not normal = self-aware = scum
usually

[clonedcheese]

@clonedcheese

self-aware

someone that knows english please tell me if this is correct

[KyoDaz]

No, it’s not correct. I don’t see the link between not normal and self-aware
I can’t even think of what you mean in context

[clonedcheese]

@KyoDaz

No, it’s not correct. I don’t see the link between not normal and self-aware

somewhere along the lines of
“if you know you’re scum you would behave excessively like town to avoid suspicion”

[KyoDaz]

You mean over-exaggerating?
Self-aware is more… paying attention to your posts.
Over-exaggerating is trying to emphasize the fact you’re town.
I don’t think there’s a perfect way to describe it in English tbh

[Aelin]

I would assume it’s something closer to the unconscious reaction of not being the same thing/wanting to be something else, but you’re right that it’s difficult to explain.

[Intensify]

@KyoDaz

Your word choice of ‘totally honest’ ‘honestly’ repeated is wolfy. I’ve noticed these are trends among wolves; trying to emphasize their honest and overexaggerating the ‘trueness’ of what the ythink.
You also proceed to use ‘interesting’; another terrible word to use in mafia. What exactly is ‘interesting’? It’s vague and undefined. I don’t think you actually have any thought on Ami here.

Meh. It’s just a habit of mine I like to do.

Here:

@Intensify

Anyways here’s my reasoning for Cloned’s execution.

First, we need to identify all the minions that spawned during this game, which were the Spy, Witch and Assassin.

We know this due to many factors and information. I died to Witch day 1 so there is obviously a Witch. Two players died last night, none of which claimed Gambler (the only other source of KP that could happen), meaning there is an Assassin who killed last night and we know there is no Baron because if there were to be Baron, all 4 outsiders would exist but currently we see 0 Saint claims anywhere.

Now that we know Minions have to be Spy, Assassin and Witch, we begin with why Cloned is naturally suspicious. Cheese claims Mayor, which is a role that can naturally survive attacks. With Spy in the game, we know that Spy knows all of our claims immediately and would’ve most likely told all their scummates already. With this knowledge in hand, we must now discuss the Assassin kill that happened this night.

See the Assassin kill that happened this night is interesting. The two people that died, Wazza and Gorta both have… debateable roles that Assassin would kill. Wazza is well… claiming to be Preacher but is now evil investigator which is… like : | and Gorta claims Exorcist. Now Lil Monsta killing one of these theoretically makes sense and that doesn’t really matter too much since hosts are controlling them, however, the Assassin kill is interesting.

My question is… why does Assassin kill a Preacher/Evil Investigator? or Exorcist over the Mayor. Some may argue that it’s too dangerous to let Preacher or Exorcist to live since they can disable scum abilities, but the thing is, 2/3 of scum don’t really care if their abilities are disabled.

Assassin? Yeah they’re killing tonight so they’re about to lose their abilities.
Spy? Not a big loss if they lose their abilities since they already know most of the grimoire and the only thing they lose is the ability to know night actions, which can mostly be easily swindled out by just talking and asking.
Now Witch is the only one who loses something. Now losing KP is pretty bad admitally, but this KP isn’t really necessary for the most part most of the time for Witch.

Now at this point, I’m like sure no one has read this far into my wallpost, so I’m just gonna start talking about apples. Isn’t it interesting why apples are red? Like red on a tree with green leaves seems like a great way to attract insects and other hungry organisms to eat you no? Seems kinda counterproductive to me. Anyways I’m not a biologist so I’m just gonna resume back on topic.

Now I’ve discussed what Minions could lose from Preacher and Exorcist, which some could still argue is still something. However, we must remember the existence of Mayor. Now Preacher and Exorcist can at most, remove Witch’s ability and maybe prevent the nightkill, but that is only if the Exorcist correctly chooses the lil monsta’s babysitter, which will likely be given to a player most townread, so it’s gonna be hard for them.

Mayor on the other hand… can bounce attacks off to other players, possibly killing Minions (though unlikely) if the hosts are trolls and if there is no execution at F3, they can make town win. So they seem like an ideal Assassin target correct? Some sort of protection, big game winning effect, doesn’t require them to actively choose the correct minion to do something…

So how come Mayor wasn’t killed last night instead of the Exorcist and Preacher, who were much poorer choices for Assassin stab. Well there’s like 3 conclusions we can make.

Conclusion A, the one I believe is that Cloned isn’t Mayor.
Conclusion B, one or both of Wazza and Gorta are evil and thus not Exorcist/Preacher, but that doesn’t explain why Mayor wasn’t killed.
Conclusion C, they wanted to frame Cloned, but that’s unlikely since this way of thinking right now requires some thought and we all know town can’t think, not atleast on forum dot throneoflies dot com.

Anyways, that’s my thought process on why I think the chances of Cloned to be scum are sorta high. There’s probably a hole in my theory, which well… it would be nice if someone pointed it out or something. And uhh if the Assassin just randomly yolo’d their kill without thinking I will send missiles specifically targeting the precise locations of their house the Tuesday after this game ends, 1:00 EST central.

TLDR: Not killing the Mayor (Cloned) doesn’t make sense for Assassin, since that was their best option, therefore Cloned is scum.

@Intensify

@eevee

Why don’t we let it stay in “eevee was shot and didn’t die” situation.

I love it.
It’s perfect for me.

Honestly at this point Eevee just doesn’t make sense to me so I’m just gonna let them do their thing until they do something that interests me.

@Intensify

@ChopChop

But I’m outted Healer now so that’s great.

If PKR is scum that wanted to sacrifice himself to kill me then he’s probably a scum that takes advantage of it.
When I’m lynched don’t lynch PKR he could be Vengeful like, shoot him or something at night instead.
But I think it’s more likely scum manipulated.

Ok it seems Seth is willing to be lonched? That’s kinda interesting actually, not something I would expect from him…

@Intensify

@ChopChop

@EliThePsycho

@PokemonKidRyan

“Your target has planted the bomb”

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Probably some scum manipulation role.
I don’t have access to a bomb.

That’s an interesting response. Not sure how I feel about it.

These are all examples of me using these words while making larger posts from town games of mine. As you can see, I just like saying “honestly” and “interesting” a lot. I’m sorry if you don’t like the way I talk but it’s not like anyone has ever told me not talk like that at all until now I guess.

Also as for what I found “interesting”, I was talking about the two posts in her ISO that I thought contradicted each other at the time.

@KyoDaz

I’m going to ignore the possible accusation that I could make on you for shadethrowing Ami here.

Ok so I’m gonna look really dumb here but what’s the definition of “shade” or “shadethrowing” exactly? It has been a while since I’ve seen anyone bring that word up and I realized I have never actually asked for an exact definition of it and have only ever used hints and clues from the way people talk about shade to define it.

@KyoDaz

I didn’t use “setting up” here? Weird. I tinfoil this as a thought of what you were doing as “setting it up” and you just described it here. Regardless, Ami here appears to be extremely passionate about this and someone I could see you trying to pass attention onto.

Close enough. I don’t really see how Ami was extremely passionate about “this” (actually not sure what even “this” refers to)

@KyoDaz

@Intensify

Do you think my reasons for questioning and not believing her are not valid?

I don’t care about the questions you asked someone regarding RVS
It’s one of the stupidest things in mafia that people argue about tbh

At the time, it seemed like an actual pressure vote considering the post was made about 5 minutes after Light’s vote and the one she implied sounded like she was responding towards it and going “ok yeah I’m down for pressure voting Gorta”.

@KyoDaz

@Intensify

What part of my wallpost are you saying looks performative exactly?

And what reasoning do you have to believe that I am “setting up” Ami to look scummy?

Do you think my reasons for questioning and not believing her are not valid?

What did you expect to gain from these questions?

I’m expecting clarification?

I can’t really defend myself against an accusation that’s literally “your posts feel performative” and nothing else. I need to know what you’re actually talking about or else I can’t be really expected to argue back.

@clonedcheese

Intensify is being really aggressive which I’m not sure i like

@clonedcheese

@Intensify

These two posts contradicting each other is a little scummy, but not exactly super scummy in any way since I would expect wolves to have a proper rigid agenda that they’re gonna follow and not just quickly change thoughts out of no where without progression.

@Intensify

In a world where Light is town, this type of response probably describes Light be shocked at how fast the push was. Something like “oh cool I will pressure Gorta so that he will po- HOLY CRAP WHY IS HE AT L-1”

I can probably maybe see that coming from town Light or just any townie in general, be a little startled by the fact that the person they just pushed is suddenly L-1 in like 20 minutes.

But in a world where Light is scum he can also think the exact thing.

Scum can also probably think “Oh hey I’m pushing Gorta cause ez mislonch bait go brr- WOAH OK THEN.”

Think you can probably classify these as “performative” as someone framed above

I’m a little confused here… about my aggression.

Did you mean to say that you were concerned about my performativeness in my posts perhaps?
Or
Like aggression in terms of making thoughts on some posts???

@clonedcheese

Like where are you getting any of these reads from with only around 100 actual posts

They were mostly thoughts and just me looking at some things.

Do you just prefer I don’t play the game or something…

Also they’re not really hard-defined reads. I did say that you should expect these to change quickly most likely soon enough.

@KyoDaz

The word choice of his paragraphs are
Oml. He’s saying ‘probably’ like every other sentence
Oh my god can we kill him already? lol

What are you my english teacher

@clonedcheese

im less worried that he’s doing it
im worried that this is not a normal intensify thing that i remember

This is normal…?
I think
Literally look at Dues Ex 4 or SFOL 64 (I was Andy_Bernard).
If you’re thinking specifically about BOTF, keep in mind that in those games I was more generally focused on the bluffing and mech-solving aspect of the game rather than the social deduction aspect.

[clonedcheese]

@Intensify

Literally look at Dues Ex 4 or SFOL 64 (I was Andy_Bernard).
If you’re thinking specifically about BOTF, keep in mind that in those games I was more generally focused on the bluffing and mech-solving aspect of the game rather than the social deduction aspect.

Andy_bernard is the one game i actually played with you i think and i remember you more as the careful one

may just be alt shennanigans

as for this

@Intensify

Do you just prefer I don’t play the game or something…

im just not confident on d1 reads and don’t know how anyone else can be
my only way of social deduction is wagonomics

[Intensify]

@clonedcheese

@Intensify

Do you just prefer I don’t play the game or something…

im just not confident on d1 reads and don’t know how anyone else can be
my only way of social deduction is wagonomics

Well I mean…
I don’t see the point of interacting all day 1 and then actually doing something day 2… it just feels like a pointless delay.

Plus we have d1 lonch anyways so we should probably make it worth our time.

[Aelin]

If you read everyone as town, you’re mostly right :finger_guns:

[clonedcheese]

it’s like the weird dilemma
i don’t have any tools to reliably read anyone
so I’m expecting people to talk and try and find something wrong in some of them
But I can’t do that if everyone’s just doing what im doing

[Aelin]

I was hoping to get a few more reactions out of that, but it seems this game is far too low-activity for that.