Chloe fan club (but only FM related) (formerly initiative to improve townplay thread) 😹

[Alice]

@Vulgard

i think braixen was the one who said it first and i was referring to that person, not you
but it’s also a fair point
which i think stems from the fact few people realize what is tmi and what isn’t

I see a lot of people accusing others of TMI just because they happened to guess something that the wolves did… that’s… not TMI.

[Jane]

Wait nvm I missed a post and now I get it.

[N.1]

That wasn’t my idea it was braixen’s
I don’t think spam should be banned
Village just needs to stop

[Vulgard]

there are some players on mu who are excellent at finding tmi and honestly i have no idea how they do it but they do it well
but yeah
just don’t rely on TMI if you can’t make it work

ALSO

one important point many people don’t understand.
if you are a villager
and you are alive
and town is losing the game
you are not correct about your reads
you may be right about one or two people but you are generally NOT correct about your reads
re-evaluate
even if you think you’re right
if you are alive in lategame and the wolves are winning
YOU ARE NOT CORRECT
so stop thinking that and reconsider people you were townreading especially

[Geyde]

Careful behavior analysis

[Jane]

Ahem

This is a scumslip/contradiction!

[Alice]

@clonedcheese

ITA’s are not your toys : ITA’s should only be used after careful deliberation and not on a whim
sorry if this has been discussed

Returns to the PoE discussion. If you want to kill someone outside of the PoE, you need to have a very good reason for it.

[DatBird]

But did u read my point on it

[N.1]

Probably but i forgot

[DatBird]

And discuss it. Hero shots dont have to be solo

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

one important point many people don’t understand.
if you are a villager
and you are alive
and town is losing the game
you are not correct about your reads
you may be right about one or two people but you are generally NOT correct about your reads
re-evaluate
even if you think you’re right
if you are alive in lategame and the wolves are winning
YOU ARE NOT CORRECT
so stop thinking that and reconsider people you were townreading especially

if you are alive as a villager past the midgame then the wolves kept you alive on purpose because you are not able to figure them out
think from the perspective of the wolves. they are not going to kill the players who are wrong
if you are right, you are the prime target for nightkills
so if you are alive late in the game as a villager and you still think your reads are correct
they are not correct
and you have wolves in your townreads 90% of the time

[Jane]

@Geyde

How do you think you can improve your fm play as town and as scum

How do you think I can improve my fm play?

[Chloe]

Marshal i fucking love you

[Alice]

@Vulgard

there are some players on mu who are excellent at finding tmi and honestly i have no idea how they do

It basically boils down to their attitude regarding other peoples’ alignments and flips.

If they act as they have doubts regarding your alignment, they’re prolly a villa. If they act like they’re absolute certain about it, then they’re prolly a wolf. Reminder that villagers don’t have info while wolves have.

[Jane]

@Marshal

selfvote + AtE

Does that mean people can still do them seperately?

[Vulgard]

i will say that re-evaluating might not always work but it’s always better than not doing anything and continuing to tunnel villagers until the end of the game
if you re-evaluate, you have a chance to catch a wolf
if you don’t, you just… don’t
you guarantee yourself to lose the game after having tunneled villagers the whole game

[Vulgard]

@Chloe

It basically boils down to their attitude regarding other peoples’ alignments and flips.

If they act as they have doubts regarding your alignment, they’re prolly a villa. If they act like they’re absolute certain about it, then they’re prolly a wolf. Reminder that villagers don’t have info while wolves have.

that’s the theory behind it but i never understood how to apply it in-game so i just… don’t
and people are probably better off
but that’s beside the point

[Alice]

@Vulgard

if you are alive as a villager past the midgame then the wolves kept you alive on purpose because you are not able to figure them out
think from the perspective of the wolves. they are not going to kill the players who are wrong
if you are right, you are the prime target for nightkills
so if you are alive late in the game as a villager and you still think your reads are correct
they are not correct
and you have wolves in your townreads 90% of the time

I usually keep people who are village-reading me alive and townread them while killing and mislynching the ones who aren’t. It’s basically how I create my own townbloc as a wolf.

[eevee]

@Marshal

10 of the last 12 games on this site were wolf wins. We need to do something about improving villa play and “make every setup townsided” isn’t the answer

What do we do
how do we fix this

Make me rand town.

[Vulgard]

@Vulgard

i will say that re-evaluating might not always work but it’s always better than not doing anything and continuing to tunnel villagers until the end of the game
if you re-evaluate, you have a chance to catch a wolf
if you don’t, you just… don’t
you guarantee yourself to lose the game after having tunneled villagers the whole game

imagine the last fol if i kept townreading chloe despite alice’s logs and claims
and if i kept townreading alice despite her openwolfing
guess how that game would end
probably a village loss, or at the very least, i would be the dumbest villager in that game
but i decided to re-evaluate and i ended up not mislynching the last living person i wolfread initially, that being possessed
and marshal but he died