like, derps made basically no reads on anyone
and tbf gorta was fairly fixated on your slot
but like
d1?
I thought I focused a lot on people that were not orange
I mean, I literally came into the day thinking your slot was town (against the opinion of my team)
I wouldnāt have wound up with a ālocktown never cuddle take this to F4ā level of read but if youād actually ā¦ answered my questions at all ā¦ I probably would have tunnelled you less
and ā it feels kind of hypocritical, for you to say that I should have been doing exactly the kind of gamesolving you wanted me to but that you refusing to answer basic questions is totally reasonable and means that us tunnelling you is entirely our fault
we were solvable off of our D1 + D2 play
like yes I am aware that my play sucked that game, and was aware at the time that this was the case
but interacting with your slot that game felt kind of like ā
letās say there was a team dance competition, right, and all the dance teams are judging each other for some reason
and the first two people on my dance team come on, and do really amazing dances
and then I come on, and I have a broken leg, so my dancing kind of sucks, and while Iām busy feeling guilty about letting down my team because of the whole ābroken legā thing your team is like āwow your dancing sucks, I bet no one on your team can danceā
and Iām like āokay look, I get that my dancing sucks what with the broken leg thing but clearly some people on my team can dance, look at the other two, can you maybe talk about their dancingā
and youāre like āARETE WHY ARENāT YOU DANCINGā
and Iām like ādoes the fact that my teammates are both demonstrably good dancers influence your thoughts here at allā
and youāre like āARETE THATāS NOT DANCINGā
and meanwhile Iām like āokay, I also want to figure out how good your team is at dancing, since weāre supposed to judge you tooā
and youāre like āIāll dance laterā and then never dance
and like
obviously saying āArete is doing a sucky job of dancingā is totally reasonable there
but
I mean
I think it is somewhat valuable even if argumenty
because itās 2 townies that went wrong and we are trying to figure out why
I had given up on winning the competition, I knew we were getting booted soon
i was just there to try to find the best dancers
the other dancers were moving too fast for me to see, I could have rewatched the recording but I still would not have felt confident in trying to discern their dancing level
and I know the dances you do and might have been able to figure out if you were a good dancer
but you were just jumping up and down repeatedly, so I didnāt know if you could dance or not. You were still exercising, (aka, I do think you could have given reads on not me people), but I couldnāt figure out if you could dance
like, I didnāt feel confident in my read on your slot. I liked how orange handled some of his pushes but when I said that he fucking laughed at it so I dismissed it
I thought sb was slightly villagery but I know very little about sb and I wasnāt that closely following d2
I was really trying to focus on you, and you werenāt doing things I could like really solve on
therefore I didnāt have your slot as hard town
yes, I was not making myself solveable either, and yes itās hypocritical, but I had like, specifically stated that I wanted my slot to get vigged and so I was not putting forth an effort to be solveable
like even if you tunneled me less
we still had super low posting d2 and d3, and would have super low posting d5 and d6 and almost definitely be dead by then
so I was not interested in making our slot easier to solve to you, and I was not interested in you explaining your read on me more, because I wanted your takes on other people, to see if I could read you off of thought process and logic (and, like, tell the thread if your logic checked out and was towny)
but you werenāt doing that and so I didnāt TR your slot
like if you werenāt following thread or just didnāt have personal reads on not-me people you could have said that
but
you had not made it clear that you were unwilling or unable to provide that, so I kept pressing for it
okay so this is going to break the metaphor a lot
but like
to a certain extent, me focusing so much on trying to solve your slot was like, me trying to do a specific dance that used mostly my arms, so that the broken leg didnāt matter as much
except when I tried to do that dance you were like ābut we donāt want to see the arm dance, we want to see other dancesā
and I was trying to force myself to do other dances, and I really thought that Iād be able to, I wasnāt about to just give up, except ā¦ my metaphorical leg was broken ā¦ so every time I tried to do them it kept not working
like
thatās fine
but I didnāt know your leg was broken
so I didnāt know you couldnāt do the dances
also like
a lot of the reads where I was like āmy team thinks Xā without specifying a teammate were takes from me, or largely from me, which Iām pretty sure I said
but you were like āoh those donāt count for evaluating your dancing skill, theyāre group dancesā
I mean yes
I canāt accurately evaluate things as well when you say āwe think xā
even if you specifically think x, I donāt know how much involved you were in it
and like
I canāt accurately read you on thoughts and logic with that
I plan to turn it around to townplay eventually
but
I want to at least resolve this first
ah yes town just won a game lets see the valuable lessons we can learn
reads up
mmm yes i need to break aretes leg
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okay but like
you were like
āAreteās team sucks at dancing, Arete isnāt even giving us any dances to work withā
and Iām like āhere are the group dances that Iāve done, here are the arm-specific dances Iāve done, here are my two teammatesā dances, here are some recordings my teammates gave to me of their dancing, here are all the questions Iām asking other people to evaluate their dancing skill (which show that I have knowledge of dancing)ā
and youāre like ābut we want SPECIFICALLY dances done with Areteās LEGS with no other people as part of the danceā
and Iām like āMarshalās team clearly isnāt trying to actually figure out how good we are at dancing, theyāre completely ignoring all the information weāve given them to evaluate our dancing skillā
and then you got mad at us for saying that you werenāt trying to figure out how good we are at dancing because actually it was just inexplicably super important to you to specifically have specifically dances that only I was a part of, and that used specific styles of dancing
yes but
I did not think that the not legs dancing was compelling evidence
I had a very light TR on your slot for some of the things you presented
but I donāt find the āgroup dancesā to be in any way out of your wolfrange (because your teammates could just tell you to say that, and through the filter of another person it becomes even harder to read
āorange and SB say thisā is very difficult to read
and āwe think thisā doesnāt help much either
and you reading our slot was hard to get a read on, I was biased and the things you had already said about our slot were not fakeable
i wanted something else, I had no indication that you could not provide it, and when you did not provide it I said that I could not read your slot further.
what iām trying to say is that I told you what you could do to help me read your slot and you didnāt do it.
If you couldnāt, thatās fine, but you never told me that you werenāt able to provide reads on other slots, so I felt like you were just dodging it
and so I think that āmarshal should not be nullreading usā argument was silly, because I asked you to do things to make me not nullread you and you ignored those requests.
I did not feel confident reading sb or orange, and I did not find you saying things from teamchat to be at all out of your wolfrange
so you can say your slot was obvtown, I did not think so, I tried to fix that but you didnāt let me know that you wouldnāt be able to help me with that
Iām done arguing, because I like you and I donāt like arguing with you, and because I want to loop around to the moral of the story, or something in my next post