We should probably re-think how we address this issue, and accept that several of us will just never have the WiM to play with even 40% the level of competency of our best
At least IMHO
thatās all for now
Thereās an extent to whichā
Obviously people are going to vary in how much time and WiM and effort they have to dedicate to the game
but itās also a team game, and at some point you do, actually, have obligations to your team, and one of those obligations is to actually try
and if youāre not willing to do that then you shouldnāt be playing
terrible analogy time
letās say that weāre all at summer camp, and a certain number of people can sign up for, I donāt know, a capture-the-flag game
obviously people are going to end up on your team that arenāt very good, itās summer camp, thatās fine and you shouldnāt be a dick about it
and maybe someone misses the discussion about where to hide the flag because they had to pass the swim test (this is the equivalent of having IRL stuff), as long as they can still play thatās fine
but if someone on your team just spends the entire game standing around in one spot, and doesnāt even try to chase after the people from the other team even if they run right by them, thatās not really fair to their team
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My level of WiM mostly depends on how much Iām enjoying the game.
One of the reasons that impacts my enjoyment could definitely be angleshot so Iām just gonna not talk about them cuz Iām still in ongoing games.
I do truly believe that asking anyone to play with over 65% your level of competency is asking too much
You do have an unnaturally high level of WiM compared to most of the community; you have to admit that
(yes im a terrible example as im at the bottom. But still)
Of course we shouldnāt expect nothing. But expect less from some than others, given past demenstrations of chronic-WiM-level-based ability
In a situation where the deaths of a bunch of well known LHFās in a row leads to townās loss, the blame cannot be placed solely on their shoulders
Point is, the definition of acceptable level of effort should be different between players based on the psychological state and previously shown mental abilities of each player. In some cases even noticeably different
Itās not realistic to expect the same amount of work from everyone
I donāt expect ācompetencyā from people, I expect people to actually play the game they signed up for and play at all
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Again, based on your recommendations in this thread, I believe your mentally internalized definition of āplaying at allā involves a significant amount of effort and competency
I have no sympathy for someone who chooses not to try, then blames other people for executing them because they never try.
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All im saying is that this will never stop happening, as I firmly believe a lot of this is due to chronically, unfixably low levels of WiM, rather than laziness.
nobody is asking anyone to be good
or at least expecting them to. Thatās kind of what this thread is for and what FM is about, helping people to improve
we are asking them to try.
Someone who has not much time but still makes an okay number of posts and is entirely wrong I will still have respect for
they tried, and didnāt do well, but at least put up an effort
but if people donāt try (and especially if they do it consistently) I will not respect their play
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The definition of ātryingā is either too fluid or nonexistent
Perhaps it should be better factored into forced replacements?
low WiM is like fine
but if you are really not motivated to win you should probably not play. Low WiM is understandable but not good
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If someoneās WiM is too low for them to even try to play then they shouldnāt be playing
itās sort of like ā I acknowledge that people have IRL commitments, and if someone can only spend a couple hours each day on the game then thatās fine, but at the same time if someone can only play for 5 minutes each day then they shouldnāt be playing
if someone doesnāt have the WiM to spend all day in the thread thatās fine, if someone doesnāt have the WiM to support all their reads with extensive Iso analysis thatās fine, if someone doesnāt have the WiM to actually play the game and make reads then they probably shouldnāt be playing
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FoL 28: gets accused of not trying despite putting in more effort than ~half the game :^)
(but yes)
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