and there’s still 12 and a half hours left! Incredibl!!
me: “I feel like I’ve been doing well on activity this game!”
also me: is 2.46% of thread
Righto
I can understand where you’re coming from on all of this tbh
i’ll do a more detailed look in the morning
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you know, I’ve gone back over this a couple times and the first few times it just looked like textbook agenda. But what I was thinking later on when looking at it closer is that it’s actually weird to enter the thread and immediately gun for voting Wazza out.
I don’t think they’re W/W, and I don’t know if they’re V/V or if one of them is a wolf, but I was thinking that this is actually a terrible way of stepping into the thread as it garners a ton of attention not only on Wazza’s slot but also on Vulgard’s. I can’t see a wolf doing it as readily as a villager, simply because it would be much better to stay out of the spotlight when nobody’s looking at you in the first place.
logically speaking, yes
but
lol!FoL
and Vulgard is an experienced, decently loud player
there’s very little chance of him ever going UTR
I know he’s not going to actually go UTR, but my point still stands that he doesn’t need to literally come into the thread and immediately start pushing agenda unless all of his teammates are UTR up to that point
shrug
I can see we inherently disagree on this so I’m not going to try and change your mind on it
Anyway, it’s past 5 am and I should probably have been sleeping 4 hours ago
Goodnight, my lovelies
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what are people’s current opinions on clonedcheese?
asking because it looked kind of like there was a recency bias where people thought his posts looked good in realtime (myself included) but then whenever he’s gone, it gets brought up that he’s not really doing much and his reads are just kinda, idk, he hasn’t updated them. also, i don’t like his vote on arctic.
gut says the way he went about his claim was villagery
but i havent seen what i expect of his towngame really
he said he’d be busy this Day so im not too interested in going there rn bc i think i can get a decent read oin him once he starts playing
hes just kinda… there
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kinda bad tbh
even after he was proven wrong about my openwolfing being AI he didn’t reconsider which indicates his vote was not placed because he believes in a read but because he wants to look productive
I want to kill wazza more for this lol
i think dropping their only real push is the last straw for me
it’s like leafia vs wazza in sfol67 when leafia would stop pushing wazza and wazza would the stop pushing her in return
this behaviour is more indicative of self-preservation rather than trying to push reads that one believes in
tbf the last time i followed a read like this it was on leafia in elf gold rush
leafia was just doing whatever they could to survive rather than pushing scum
but they were town
i think the attitude of being in self preservation mode is much closer to rand than being wolf indicative
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for leafia maybe
but someone that isn’t leafia having a leafia post is a big concern to me lol
I’m going through his ISO quickly because it’s only 50 posts.
ISO on clonedcheese
thought this post looked towny and it still does.
he claimed a confirmable role and actually did confirm it, even if we don’t really know what the drones do. the “kill me @wolves” part could be fakeable but the confirmability is a pretty good look.
this matches up with his outdated reads, actually. if he’s only reading posts in realtime, he wouldn’t have updated information on which to base his reads.
tbf i thought vulgard’s takes were weird at first, and only after realtiming with him for a bit did i change my mind on that.
reading me off whether i joke or not is absolute bullshit, though, and it’s also not true that i’ve never joked. i’ve cracked jokes as both alignments, and iirc cloned said he was getting to looking through my old games or something for evidence that i’ve openwolfed and joked before, and then he just… dropped off and never came back to it. a little weird.
all of this matches up very neatly with his claim of being a confirmable role. the reason these posts look better rather than NAI is because he set up softing pretty early.
it does make sense he would have claimed it early as either alignment, though, since it was publicly announced by the host and would be pretty damn noticeable in the thread regardless of whether cloned had hinted at it before.
i’m guessing they do one of two things, but he said to ignore it, so whatever.
this was in response to my comment that we needed the equivalent of BOATS to mass-eliminate wolves.
he seems content to do nothing other than deploying his drones lol
it’s not really more than just NAI, though, since i also said i would do basically nothing until D3.
why i’m even bothering to solve anything already, idk, but it’s a team game and if i see my top townreads working together to solve, i’m more motivated to pitch in and solve with them because then i have someone to bounce ideas off.
i really don’t know where he gets this insistence from that i don’t joke
but he’s also known for like, never properly reading any of my posts in any game i’m in, so lol
maybe the first game was an exception but all others have mostly been him doing a level 0 read on my slot and then never reevaluating that i might not be scum in like… nearly every game. i think i only wolfed once against him and it was the one game where he wasn’t after me for days on end.
the thing with this comment is that he’s not actually wrong. but wolves use it to cover up for a blunder, whereas town will use it for reaction testing (or at least that’s what i think). but it’s also a dumb reason to wolfread me, and combined with claiming that i never joke, it’s a bruh moment.
still hasn’t read anything, still stuck on his first impression of me in the thread.
this matches up with his idea that everyone who openwolfs is a wolf, i guess?
i guess
he just immediately dismisses whatever is going on with the wazza wagon.
i didn’t particularly like this.
if he wolfreads every single player for openwolfing if they theoretically all openwolfed, he’d have the entire wolf team correct but also wolfread all of the town members as well
he’s also still wrong with this and it’s like he’s just making shit up to fit his narrative. what annoys me is that i’ve seen him do this as both alignments and it’s hard for me to tell the difference between when he’s actually blatantly misconstruing everything i say on purpose as a wolf, versus when he does it anyway but as town because he hasn’t paid enough attention or read between the lines.
i mean, sorry, he gets some town points i guess but i wouldn’t be too upset if he died here since he’s not really contributing anything other than whatever he’s doing with the drones.
considering he’s entirely wrong on my meta all the time including this game, and he’s also wrong on arctic’s meta here, why the heck would anyone listen to what he has to say about wazza’s meta?
this interaction was weird.
i was being facetious and not actually trying to misconstrue cloned’s case, but considering he always misconstrues mine, i don’t see how what i was doing was any worse.
he liked my response saying i knew that wasn’t his argument but his reads were oddly coincidental, but then didn’t comment on it, and then he didn’t respond anything about wagoning me instead.
the thing is i think my wagon would have enough traction, or at least at that point it might have, but nobody really bothered with it and the only ones who ever voted me toDay were Chloe and min (notably both townreads, and both of them reevaluated me). Wazza said something like she thought i could be a vengeful and was afraid of voting me but would rather i get vigged, and then Atlas said he thought I could be a jester, so idk where the heck those reads are coming from but whatever, i’m not complaining if i’m not dying yet.
back to the wazza case, and cloned is still insisting he hasn’t read anything. and yet is reading wazza purely off what he thinks her meta is in relation to being told what she’s accomplished in this thread.
and this, as i said before, just dropped off and left us with a cliffhanger. he didn’t have anything else to say about it and i can’t even tell if he’s interested in figuring it out or proving whether he’s right or wrong. doesn’t really seem like it.
petty reasons to push players aren’t past his town meta, but if he’s not even interested in validating his reasons, it’s nagl.
conveniently he’s still townreading wazza and wolfreading everyone on her wagon. see a problem with this?
conclusion: idk, the farther down in his ISO i go, the less confident i am in clonedcheese being town. i don’t know what the heck his drones do and i don’t really care right now, either. the reason i went through his ISO was because i was considering if he’s a viable flash wagon or not today and i kiiinda think he is. part of it is OMGUS, i will admit, but the other part of it is that he’s really dropped off and has weirdly fabricated reads, and not only has he been making up reads and statements about players in this game while insisting he still hasn’t read the thread, but he’s also reading other slots off players he’s made unbacked reads on, i.e. he decided from probably outdated meta that ici’s description of wazza means that wazza is town, and conveniently made up incorrect statements about arctic’s and my meta and wolfread us when we happened to be on wazza’s wagon, and then also made a yikes comment about vulgard without going back to it that looks like shading him for, well, being on wazza’s wagon.
if i’m completely and utterly wrong, please feel free to correct me and give me your interpretations of his iso but i just think it looks ick.
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i am fine with flipping wazza first because even if she flips town, it’s a huge information solver.
also i lowkey think if wazza flips wolf then cloned will also flip wolf but idk if my evaluation is correct. i don’t think it’s unreasonable, though?