[Class Suggestion] The Peasant

[RHCube]

@Livicus

• If the target was defiled then you cannot become them.
• You cannot become a unique class that is currently alive.
• You cannot make the Cult/Unseen go above its member limit.
• You cannot become a class that has already won unless it is fool.
• You cannot become a Scorned who suicided.
• If you become Scorned you will have the same targets as the dead Scorned.
• If you become a Mercenary you will get to choose a target, but you cannot get a second.
• You may become the Mastermind if he dies after Day 4.
• You cannot become the King. EVER.

This could be simplified a lot. Here’s what it could become:

• You may not become your target if their real class is hidden

• You may not go beyond class limits

• You may not become a class which has already won if it is fool

• You will have the same targets if you become a scorned. Does not work if the targets are dead

• You may not become the king.

@RawkHawk

With no limit to how long he has to wait, he can just sit on his hands and wait until the end to pick.

A limit would be bad. What if it’s a cult + reaper game? I’ve seen some games where nobody has died on day four yet.

@RawkHawk

Finally, having a “if you hang me, you get punished” character is silly. Imagine BD find him out, and realize he isn’t changed.

It’s not. It prevents random lynches and gives scum counterplay to confirmed investigators.

@RawkHawk

They can force the issue and tell him to be BD the next night

They won’t know if he chooses BD. He can claim to choose BD, but that doesn’t mean that he’s telling the truth.

@RawkHawk

If he doesn’t go through, barring prince, there isn’t much they can do to him, since they lose a member executing him. At least with alch the mentality is “we’re losing a healer if we execute him.” This is just “Can’t execute or we die” which puts any punishment the class might have out of skillful players hands.

But if it wasn’t there this would suffer from the same issue as knight. There’s no way to confirm themselves so they would be frequently executed. And the neuts out mentality that some players have is annoying, it’s not uncommon for someone to be executed just because they’re a neut.

[RawkHawk]

@RHCube

But if it wasn’t there this would suffer from the same issue as knight. There’s no way to confirm themselves so they would be frequently executed. And the neuts out mentality that some players have is annoying, it’s not uncommon for someone to be executed just because they’re a neut.

Coming back just for this quote.

The solution to stop knight claims = auto execute is not to make there be less reason to execute and MORE classes that can be claimable.

And here’s the thing about a “neuts out” mentality. Neutrals are not, and never are, BD. No where on their class list does it say “live until BD wins” or the likes. Merc is pretty darn close, but even she can win with NK. Neutrals should never be able to openly claim and just be removed of scrutiny. If you remember, we had the situation for a while with Inquisitor who was literally immune to all forms of death.

Now this class can’t really do this with Prince still alive, but I have to ask you: what would this class add? Being able to randomly decide faction has already been an annoying topic for players with Alchemist. And the play to stop alchemists is to execute them, should you so choose. Having an inherent “you execute me, you die” mechanic only serves to punish BD for making correct plays. If this class has a possibility of actively hurting your team, execution should be possible. With Fool, all it can do is vote against BD. But this class can become new scum classes.

tl;dr A class that can decide factions doesn’t deserve a “you can’t execute me” passive. If the class can switch sides and BD find them out, they deserve to punish that class if they so choose.