Corrupt Votes FM - Day 6 (3/15) - Town wins by voting out town

[Aelin]

yawns so sorry for my inactivity everyone

I am here, and there’s a chance someone is picking up my shift at work today.

[Aelin]

Hmm… I can’t say I understand the wagon on Conduit. Can someone explain it the me, please? I see nothing in their ISO that can’t just be lol!newbtown

[Leafia]

@an_gorta_pratai

Like I could buy Cloned’s thing about Arete being a wolf bussing Wazza in most worlds (even if I semi think Arete is town). Arete should have died over Insanity because Arete just got a wolf out and is a pretty good player, which wolves usually kill early enough (especially if Arete just got a wolf out)

You’re forgetting that there’s people dumb enough to think Arete is a wolf right now, so killing them wouldn’t be as smart as killing Insanity who everyone is convinced is town. Why kill someone when you can throw shade on them and misyeet them that way?

It’s definitely a Conduit Cheese team I think. Stop with the deepwolf paranoia now everyone. If we play like that, scum will win.

[Leafia]

We need to decide on a consensus Town core and PoE.

[Aelin]

At this point, I’d say my towncore is myself, Arete, Seth, and Leafia. I have already made my argument, Seth is, quite obviously, in his townmeta, and Leafia has been trending upwards for most of day 2 despite being mostly inactive day 1.

[Aelin]

I’d be fine in executing in about here today. SDA being an inactive wolf might explain why there was such little traction on a wolf wagon.

[Arete]

@an_gorta_pratai

@Arete Why did you jump to calling for a CFD on Wazza when you had other scum reads?

I’d been trying to CFD Leafia and it hadn’t really worked because too many people TR’d her

I really wanted to CFD someone to save cloned, because I was pretty sure cloned was town, which meant I needed a CFD that anyone would actually be willing to vote. Wazza was one of a handful of people that I found actively wolfy (as opposed to them just not doing anything) and I thought people might actually go along with it (which I needed them to in order to save cloned)

[Moleland]

Read there reasoning for voting Wazza again.

Also wazza immediately defended them when I voted them nakedly yesterday

[Leafia]

No idea why you’d want to CFD to me Arete. What makes you so certain that Cheese is town anyway?

[Trochilidae]

good morning everyone! hope everyone slept well

reading up now, if anyone has any questions hit me with em

[Leafia]

I slept well and good afternoon.

[Leafia]

I’d agree with Light’s towncore too.

[Trochilidae]

yeah, i do like Light’s towncore
even if it’s a betrayal without me in it ;-;

call me stubborn but i still don’t think Conduit’s wolf here. i see everyone’s reasonings, and i understand them in theory, i just don’t think it’s likely.
however, i will re-iso them just in case there’s something i missed.

[Moleland]

I could be wrong, but leaving them alive will probably just distort my reads unless other mafia flip.

[Trochilidae]

distort your reads how so?
or are you just saying you’ll always view them with conf bias as mafia however long they’re left alive for

[Moleland]

Basically the latter. Like Whysp for some people in Ww.

[Arete]

@Leafia

No idea why you’d want to CFD to me Arete. What makes you so certain that Cheese is town anyway?

I had been unsure on you because of the thing I saw as inconsistent about your voting

once you explained it to me that made me feel better about your slot, and I don’t particularly want to vote you out anymore

my original readoning for why cloned is town

@Arete

okay, I skimmed cheese’s Iso to try to sort him and I’m feeling pretty okay about him being town

I’m dividing this up point-by-point rather than post-by-post for readability’s sake

the first reason is how he handled his read on me

relevant posts

@clonedcheese

Anyone else getting questionable vibes from Aroot
Seems pretty overzealous
Maybe I just didn’t have enough sleep and any kind of activity looks over the top to me
But

Interaction with Surge, PKR, and Alice seems overacting

@clonedcheese

@Arete

the last one I think is more likely to come from scum. the thing about complaining about the thread being dead is that it’s super easy to do from any alignment’s PoV since it doesn’t require producing any actual content, but it doesn’t actually do anything to make the thread not be dead . additionally, by recognizing that the problem is a problem but not actually doing anything to change it, it points to them willfully not doing anything to change it, rather than just being really busy or something.

question from a student
how is this different (more/less scummy) than not posting at all?

@clonedcheese

@Arete

because if I’m scum in this game it’s basically the easiest possible game of my life

wat
explain por favor

@clonedcheese

In worlds 2 and 3, we have signalling going on; I sense 1 culprit.

/vote Arete

@clonedcheese

my attempt at a bigbrain

@clonedcheese

…ok fair

the first post is near-word-for-word how I’ve seen him handle my slot in previous games, I also think a player at his experience level would be uncomfortable with pushing on a perceived-strong-player (especially given that 90 percent of the game is LHFy)

I think him asking questions to me points to him trying to solve my slot, rather than just trying to make a push on me to look like he’s doing something

I think him actually considering my responses to him and semi-reevaluating also points to him actually trying to solve my slot, wolves tend to have a harder time faking general progressions

also this is a really dumb take but I think his use of small text in P#297 is slightly villagery, it matches how I would expect him to feel about making a read that he’s worried is silly

second reason is kind of dumb but it exists

@clonedcheese

@Trochilidae

oh yeah that’s definitely just my personality and how i talk to people. if someone asks me something i’m able to do, of course i’ll eagerly comply.
it’s D1, any analysis we can make is helpful and i’m more than happy to do it!

Is it just me or did troch take a massive amount of time to write this

I think this post is much more likely to come from a villager, that sort of just-barely-not-angleshooting post is the sort of thing town is much more likely to pick up on than scum is

the last reason I’m sort of conflicted on but I think his push on Alice is more likely to come from town than scum

this reason was one I was kind of hesitant about because, like, in a vacuum focusing a lot on the 3p claim is kind of meh

but I think scum would be less likely to actively push the 3p in this set-up (and more likely to just make a bunch of vaguely performative posts about trying to solve them), I think cheese genuinely believes that the 3p is more likely to scumside and so I think he’s less likely to push her as scum (because why would you push the claimed 3p as scum if you’re expecting them to scumside)

there are also a couple elements of his read on her that I also think are more likely to come from town than from scum

@clonedcheese

3. Alice is scum. Then either they or their teammates would try and convince the noot.

for instance, I think him specifically thinking about worlds where she’s scum as opposed to where she’s neut points to him not having TMI about her neut-ness or lack thereof, like, if scum wants to push on Alice the easiest way to do that is to just be like ‘Alice is claimed non-town and probably siding scum, vote Alice’

I also think (similarly to his read on me) that he would probably not choose to push on Alice as scum, when Alice is a perceived-strong-player

[Arete]

*reasoning

[Trochilidae]

i have a theory here

say scum knew that everyone would think Arete to be the nightkill, an obvious SPK. and then they simply kill Insanity instead to have us all questioning why Arete isn’t dead instead and waste quite a bit of time doing so, throwing doubt on arguably one of the best players on this site if town.
same theory i had with why Vulgard was left alive so long in WW.

[Arete]

@Moleland

can you ping me when you’re in the thread? I had a couple questions I wanted to ask you about your reads at the moment and I think it’ll be more helpful for me if I ask them in real time

edit: apparently I did not click ‘reply’ :wowee: