Corrupt Votes FM - Day 6 (3/15) - Town wins by voting out town

[clonedcheese]

@Arete

prevent a potential quickhammer.

I don’t see this being a possibility so I feel fine keeping my vote on there
In a world where you’re not scum then we’d have derps be the wolf

[Arete]

I don’t even know if it’s Derps

it might not be Derps

that said … if town is voting out other villagers of their own accord … it’s really easy for wolves to just stay off the town wagons

[Arete]

@Zone_Q11

• clonedcheese
• Surge
• an_gorta_pratai
• Light
• Arete
• PokemonKidRyan
• Alice
• SirDerpsAlot
• EliThePsycho Appelsiini

okay

this is everyone still alive

I’m going to skip reevaling Surge because I’m very confident he’s V, if he’s finally figured out how to fake his scum meta as town then I guess we just lose ¯_(ツ)_/¯

skipping Alice as well because neut claim, I did briefly tinfoil last night that she was scum and the neut just … scumsided and didn’t CC?? but I think that’s really unlikely

that leaves

cheese
Gorta
Light
PKR
Derps
Eli/Appel

to try and reeval

[Zone_Q11]

@Lemonfairy has subbed in for Alice.

Yadda yadda yadda. Do not discuss replacements.
(Could we grant her the basic badge?)

[Arete]

@Zone_Q11

(Could we grant her the basic badge?)

bumped her up to TL2, let me know if you need me to do anything else

[Arete]

@Lemonfairy

hi

your slot claimed town before replacing out (which should be self-explanatory, it’s not like scum would claim scum, but there’s technically a neut in the game), we were thinking that the neut should out themselves if they’re townsiding so we don’t waste an elim on them, can you confirm that you’re not the neut (like your slot claimed)?

[Lemonfairy]

cough the message just above says Alice DID claim neut so I’m assuming this was some kind of test to take advantage of the time while I’m still catching up.

I’ll try to skim-read and catch up as quickly as possible. That was a bit of an evasive response but I don’t want to roleclaim as soon as I sub in without knowing what’s going on first.

[Lemonfairy]

Oh never mind this slot claimed neut right off the bat lol.

[Lemonfairy]

aaaaaand there’s only one neutral
hahahaha

[SirDerpsAlot]

The neut kinda gets to pick its alignment

[Lemonfairy]

This slot kind of self-cleared for claiming SOD1.
Would be crazy to wolf-side after open-claiming.

[Arete]

first person on my list: cloned

I’m focusing mostly on D2/D3 here because that’s the day when I feel like I have the best sense of what the scum plan would have been

@clonedcheese

Here for a quick session of answer
then back to collegeapps i go
someone please help aaaaaaaaa

@Arete

can you talk to me about your PoV when you made these two posts?

1st post - i read trochi’s (as well as others) scumread on wazza as an activity tell
And
Activity tells bad

2nd post - their wording, things like “i need a town here” or “i kinda dont have any evidence that im not scum wtf can i do” seemed like things coming from town frustrated that they’re being scumread
Lost but still wanted to show genuine effort - something that scum wouldn’t blatantly state
clearly i was wrong

@clonedcheese

1)fuck you alice

Then 30 minutes later

2)well it would behoove me to read into wazza interations

And here i am now

when I first saw these two posts, I thought this was a reasonably townie response to defending a wolf, re-reading them now I still basically think that, I think this response is pretty genuine

Summary

@clonedcheese

Troch still weird, starting to think more that the ate was covering up a mistake

@clonedcheese

@Trochilidae

no offense but why is Insanity dead over Alice and Arete?

I think this is good to look into[quote=“Insanity, post:191, topic:84170”]
Arete is a little bit weird, it is like she is just trying to act like a town by telling what people should do and what not to do, a.k.a town leader qualities. And when she is voted, she became a little bit defensive, which is not to my likings.

@Insanity

But from this post, I am pretty sure that if Arete is indeed, a scum (in a world, that is), then Wazza won’t be directly aligned with them.

@Insanity

GTH: Arete scum.

Read Aroot scum
Although there’s the portion about wazza and aroot not being aligned, its pretty clear those two were distancing yesterday no matter what their alignment was.
And this accusation, although it kinda went UTR, was not something that could be brushed off like mine; Insanity is a player that is held in higher regard than me
although thats not really a high bar to clear
Overall i wanna follow the dead man and
/vote Arete
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@clonedcheese

@Trochilidae

i still think it was a good idea tbh

I don’t and i don’t think you do either

Gonna vote you after aroot

@clonedcheese

alright back from insanity read

and im more convinced aroot scum and killed the most prominent dissenter

insanity scumread a total of 3 people:

aroot
trochi - selfvote+ate
wazza - near-consensus wagon

in that order
the other two aren’t notable, something that people probably dont die for
1st one is damning

Alice wouldn’t be killed since lol3p
but i do find it odd that aroot didn’t get chop chopped

@clonedcheese

Let us try and read arete
Apologies for massive post; on mobile and cant do hide
More to come when i wake up tmrw

@Arete

first

lockscum

@Arete

Everyone should buy this tonight

the reasoning being that if everyone buys it, scum won’t be able to afford the vigilante and so we’re denying them 1 KPN

ALSO I asked and how many votes individual people have is displayed on the EoD votecount for a plurality elim so we’ll know if someone didn’t

One of the main points for arete being town - they advocated for collective action that would, if succeeded, would eventually catch the scum not spending their points

But how feasible is this plan?
Lets see if this plan makes sense from scum!arete’s perspective

1 person dies d1: 10v3 or 11v2(ignoring noot for now)
1 person dies n1: 9v3 or 10v2
1 person dies d2: 8v3, 9v2, or 10v1

By this time, if scum successfully was on top wagon, they would have 7 points. They can now coordinate a votesteal. Keeping this in mind:

1 person dies n2: 7v3, 8v2, or 9v1
1 person dies d3: 6v3, 7v2, or 8v1 (or town win)

In a 6v3 votesteal happens and scum instawins.
But in a 7v2 or an 8v1,they’re still a long ways off from actually being able to win the game.

So although this might be scum trying to gain towncred, it is most definitely against their interests to follow this plan.

+1 brownie point

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@Arete

fuck if Alice is claiming 3p there’s like a 50 percent chance that I’m dying N1

My 1 of 2 main reasoning for scumlean: they’re still alive
I think they were aware of this
-1 brownie point

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@Arete

I’m tempted to give Insanity a pass for today on the grounds that they’re one of a handful of people producing anything resembling readable content

When Insanity lightly attacks them, aroot kinda just says “well said, town” which is a weird resonse.

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@Arete

the last one I think is more likely to come from scum. the thing about complaining about the thread being dead is that it’s super easy to do from any alignment’s PoV since it doesn’t require producing any actual content, but it doesn’t actually do anything to make the thread not be dead . additionally, by recognizing that the problem is a problem but not actually doing anything to change it, it points to them willfully not doing anything to change it, rather than just being really busy or something.

Accurate analysis in the face of a dead thread. Going for active discussion + looking in to different ways of reading
+1 brownie point

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@Arete

did Wazza return to the thread after being accused of just talking about mech and dipping, leave two posts that are off-topic at best, and dip again?? this can die

One of stsrting members of wazza’s wagon, but it 's simply for an activity tell - for indivoduals that dont know wazza’s alignment, they can judt regard this as a “oh wazza’s busy”- instead they look into it deeply. As previously noted before, pushing on insubstantial evidence.
-1 brownie point

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@Arete

if(/when) I die overnight don’t treat the bottom section as some sort of privileged category full of wolves that you should sheep, my wolfreads are not going to be particularly good in this gamestate and I’m not actually convinced that ‘people who are pinging me’ is likely to contain more wolves than ‘people who I have as null’

This post was made before wazza was widely wagoned (at leadt thats what i think)
Wazza is at the bottom of their resdlist; if wazza were to live and arete would die, it would put wazza away grom the suspicious list

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@clonedcheese

@an_gorta_pratai

I have failed to read Mole several times, but I want to put this a town lean.

@an_gorta_pratai

/vote Moleland @astand

large confusion
Are you’re sure you’re in the right game buddy?

@clonedcheese

I just took a look at the other game
Gorta isn’t alive and mole isn’t playing so it was the right vote with the wrong ping

And thus

/vote an_gorta_pratai @CRichard564 @Zone_Q11 if I am not already

@clonedcheese

@CRichard564

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Number
Moleland	Arete, Alice,Gorta	3/6
cheese	Derps	1/6
Derps	Moleland	1/6
Light	Light	1/6
PKR	Surge	1/6
Gorta	Cheese	1/6
[Not Voting]	DatBird, Appel, PKR,	3

I think from the actions shown by gorta (easily conforming to a scumread on Arete based on insanity kill, unexplained voting patterns), I think gorta is 100% scum.

The other scum, in my opinion, is split between Derps who hasn’t been contributing to the thread and Arete (new 2nd place) based on VCA.

If Arete is indeed scum then I think it’s fair to assume all of Mole’s wagon is scum; even if not, I think that still leaves room for Alice scumside if Moleland is indeed town.

@clonedcheese

in the 2 hours we have left
@Appelsiini convince me you town

/vote Appelsiini @CRichard564 @Zone_Q11

okay I wanted to go point by point through all the posts I quoted in the dropdown^ but when I actually looked at them together I don’t actually think that would be helpful, like, I basically just would be saying ‘here he pushes someone, here he pushes someone else’ and I don’t think that’s very helpful

so instead I’m just going to bullet-point the things I found villagery, and pull out anything that made me mrrrrr and talk about it separately

so, things I find villagery:

• he’s meaningfully pushing people outside the consensus ‘this is who we’re executing’ group at all. scum wouldn’t really have needed to do that, and if they were going to do that they wouldn’t have needed to do more than just lay a sort of perfunctory vote on whatever wagon they wanted.
• he’s interacting with and trying to solve lots of different people, rather than just focusing on a couple of slots. For players of his experience level a wide focus tends to be village-indicative, whereas wolves at his experience level are more likely to focus on a couple people to analyze.
• he’s not just going for “easy” wagons while simultaneously he’s not really doing the whole ‘widen the PoE’ thing that you see from scum sometimes, like, scum really doesn’t need to push on me yesterday (today maybe, yesterday no) and yet he spends a large chunk of yesterday making a serious push on me. I also don’t think pushing on the one person defending you is really a strategy that makes sense for scum
• I think he legitimately believes his reads, the level of conviction he’s showing is a decent look and although he does sometimes change his reads it feels more to me like legitimate reconsideration – I can follow his reasoning for doing it

things that made me mrrrr:

@clonedcheese

Hi hello
uh
failed the midterm fuck it

So
While constructing the read on Arete I realized that tonally, Arete was pure town; them asking people to buy triplevote is unthinkable as scum - if people believed them they would be royally fucking themselves
I also recall they had a large towny moment although I can’t seem to find it at this moment

=> Led to conclusion that people probably didn’t kill Arete to use the exact reasoning I had (“why are you alive lmao”)

I tried to write the wallpost to only highlight the bad things about Arete to see who would agree with me
But my own incompetence in pressing a button + thread inactivity has rendered the exercise useless

Thus I would like to propose a wagon on the one person who agreed that Arete was sus and “that they might be bussing Wazza” while not committing to that idea fully:

/vote gorta @CRichard564 @Zone_Q11

this post is basically fine in a vacuum but it’s kind of weird in terms of his current read on me, the progression is less “there” than it is for some of his other reads

@clonedcheese

If Mole flips town I want to yeet Arete/Gorta/Alice
But otherwise not really

this is roughly my least favorite post in his Iso (not just because it’s about me ) – saying things like ‘if X flips town, then Y who is pushing them is scum and we should vote out Y’ is the sort of thing I used to say a lot when I was new to playing scum and X and Y were both villagers

however overall I think those two posts are consistent with him being a villager who just thinks I’m way better than I am and thus thinks that me being wrong a couple times makes me a wolf, so they’re not enough to outweigh the other reasons I have to villa-read him

[CallMeIo]

Until someone cough Cough Xblade cough Cough fixes the Facebook Login Redirect so I can log into Surge. I’m using this account until I get my Surge back.
(Chloe said I could)

I’ll be back later and I hate you all for lynching Moleland OwO.
Also Arete is Town.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@clonedcheese

Cool

1. we had conduit + mole die with Arete being a chief pusher of both wagons
2. Insanity was killed when sussing Arete, DatBird was killed because he (out of the individuals alive) could read Arete the best, and Leafia was killed to be a distraction.
3. Bussing Wazza D1 got Arete to be top town in everyone’s books, the triplevote plan doesn’t matter if you never get found out
4. Gorta jumped on mole’s wagon for absolutely no reason . They are clearly scum for this, and they did it near EoD (last action of day phase) because they saw their partner on the wagon that could more than cover for them

I rest my case

/vote Arete @CRichard564 @Zone_Q11

I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Arete go today and I will explain my vote on Mole in a bit. I will also explain the reason I want Arete dead today.

[an_gorta_pratai]

When did you get here?

[an_gorta_pratai]

Why in the hell are we blindly voting up derps? We did this with Conduit and Mole and they both flipped town, so why are we assuming derps is a wolf? Like we need to re-evaluate everything because if we keep seeing town flip the wolves are very deep in the town right now.

[Arete]

no one is voting Derps

[Arete]

like as a practical matter

no one’s vote is currently on Derps

[Chloe]

Due to technical difficulties with the forum maintenance, @ChopChop has been given permission to post on @CallMeIo

Please do not discuss this decision.

[clonedcheese]

@an_gorta_pratai

I will explain my vote on Mole in a bit

Will be greatly appreciated

Corrupt Votes FM - Day 4 (9/15)

first person on my list: cloned I’m focusing mostly on D2/D3 here because that’s the day when I feel like I have the best sense of what the scum plan would have been 1st post - i read trochi’s (as well as others) scumread on wazza as an activity tell And Activity tells bad 2nd post - their wording, things like “i need a town here” or “i kinda dont have any evidence that im not scum wtf can i do” seemed like things coming from town frustrated that they’re being scumread Lost but still want…

This post is
almost exactly the same in terms of the quality of the read Arete has had on my slot
Their read is “they show a very good effort that’s not like a scumteam member”

Even after seeming to engage in the “Well town can be wrong” debacle they don’t recognize any posts from today which is ???

I feel like they’re sidestepping the issue here like they did for the last “push” (correct use of air quotes) in an attempt to pocket