In the middle I voted for gorta because he wasn’t giving me his reads
I said GTH
So I pointed the gun
Light
I’m starting at EoD1 rather than on D2 like I was doing with the others, because his EoD1 feels super relevant to his alignment, actually
I am going post-by-post here because I think that’s going to be more helpful – his posts aren’t “summarizable” the way other people’s were
End of Day 1
okay
so like
I don’t want to say that he’s 100 percent lockscum because only wolves defend wolves, because that’s kind of dumb
but I do think this is kind of sus, not because he was wrong, but because of how he handled it – part of that is for reasons that I’m going to get in later, but part of it is that the way he handled the Wazza wagon is different from how he handled every wagon not named ‘Wazza’
like, the closest thing we get to his treatment of the Wazza wagon, is his treatment of the Trochi wagon (which obviously can’t have been defending a partner, because Trochi is a dead villager):
where he does unvote, bring up the lack of resistance, and say that there not being much resistance points to Trochi being town
however, he brings a lot more resistance to the Wazza wagon (despite not, as far as I can tell, townreading Wazza?) than he does to the Trochi wagon, and additionally he doesn’t bring this resistance to other wagons – like, the cloned wagon was the top wagon for ?a while? (I don’t remember how long exactly) and yet he seemed basically unconcerned with that wagon and never brings up the possibility that it could be DADV
he also brings up low-content, mechposting, and not explaining reads as reasons to scumread Moleland:
two out of three of these reasons were … basically the case against Wazza (the last one wasn’t really a point against Wazza because Wazza just didn’t have reads period)
yet when these were brought up as points against Wazza he was super resistant to the wagon
important note (a.k.a. reasons why I’m not totally certain of this read):
to Light’s credit he did … have a reason … for defending Wazza like this and not defending other people like this (that is, it was Wazza’s birthday and that can explain the lack of content)
and there’s a part of my brain that’s like ‘ok but would Light really harddefend a partner like that 
’
but I’m not totally sure that applies? because most of the reasons he gives aren’t … about Wazza’s alignment … like as far as I can tell he doesn’t even townread Wazza, he never says ‘I don’t want to vote Wazza because Wazza is town’
the third thought I had is ‘maybe this makes him a wolf because no one has tried to push him on this blatantly sus progression’ but … I don’t actually think the wolves are really pushing people this game … so …
Day 2 stuff
this post is fine in a vacuum, marking it for later though
there’s a part of my brain that’s like ‘clearly Light killed Leafia because he thought Leafia was obvtown’ but I think that’s dumb
ehh
this is ~fine, could come from either alignment fairly easily. Moleland not being in the PoE is notable for later.
so then we get into his actual reads:
the thing I’m noticing is that he has a lot of reads like this, where he shades someone but doesn’t really call them a wolf. This is wolfy because it’s super common for scum to do that, to try to sort of soft push someone rather than actually saying ‘they are a wolf’ in order to avoid responsibility.
these are all sort of ‘fine, whatever’ posts although I’m not really sure where his progression on Conduit is – like, what happened to knock him down from ‘I see nothing in their ISO that can’t just be lol!newbtown’
this set of posts are more ‘shading people without ever really pushing them’ – like, as far as I can tell he never e.g. votes cloned, and basically just drops the subject
this is basically consistent with what I think wolves were doing yesterday
then we have these three posts on Conduit, I said earlier that I wanted to bring up inconsistencies with how he treated Wazza and everyone else – this is what I was talking about
when Wazza was getting wagoned the lack of resistance was evidence that he was town, and meant that he needed to try as hard as possible to stop him from getting wagoned
here when Conduit is getting wagoned he’s basically like ‘I didn’t like that there were so many people going for it beforehand for what I saw as minute evidence, but it makes a bit more sense now’ and leaves it at that
he also never really did anything to try to prevent the Conduit wagon, despite saying here that he hadn’t liked that there were so many people going for it beforehand – like, the most he did was ask why people are pushing Conduit and say that he thought Conduit was probably newbtown, he never tried to actively shift the wagon
Day 3 stuff
this is literally the only post I found notable on D3 at all
I’m trying to be charitable to him because the forum maintenance messed things up for everyone, but I’m pretty sure that wolves just did not care what was happening the last couple days, and we have Light … not caring what was happening the last couple days …
additionally, his treatment of the Mole wagon is super sketchy – he says he doesn’t agree with the wagon, but the extent of his attempt to change the wagon consists of dropping a vote on Derps and saying he doesn’t agree with the wagon
like, it’s not like Mole being the wagon was a weird flashwagon at the end of the day that he couldn’t have ever anticipated, and he tragically got dragged away from the game by IRL commitments before he could intervene
Mole was the top wagon for nearly the entire day. obviously different people have different playstyles but I’m pretty sure most people … care if their village reads are being voted out … and I find it suspicious that Light didn’t care at all, and just let the wagon on Mole happen, even though he allegedly disagreed with it
Conclusions
this is probably a wolf
summarized version of my points on Light, if you don’t want to read my entire wall:
- he spent the entirety of EoD1 trying to shift the wagon off of Wazza despite not expressing a townread on Wazza. obviously villagers can be wrong/defend wolves but the extent to which he defended Wazza doesn’t make sense given that he never actually called Wazza town
- his treatment of Wazza is inconsistent with how he treated literally everyone else this game that he supposedly townread, he tried as hard as he could to defend Wazza but did basically nothing to defend Mole when Mole was getting voted out despite allegedly disagreeing with the wagon
- most of his reads aren’t real pushes, he just shades someone without really going anywhere with it. this is usually a sign of a wolf that wants to make villagers look bad but doesn’t want the responsibility of actually pushing for misexes
can people please please talk to me about this read
I’ve been wrong about a lot of things this game and I think if I’m wrong here we basically just lose in most worlds
and I feel like the extent to which people have engaged with me today has been either
‘you were wrong a couple times so you are a wolf!!! dybu dabu dybu dabu’
or
‘vote Light or you are a wolf!’ (no offense Surge)
and I would like to be able to actually … talk through my reads and the reasoning behind them … so that I don’t mess up again
Hello. I gave more resistance against Wazza’s yeet because he literally had 25 posts for the entire day, and I didn’t see anything that made it a strong scumlean.
okay Light
you’re probably going to think this is a dumb request
and I promise this isn’t some sort of trap where I’m like ‘this is LAMIST! you are lockscum!’
but could you, like, towncase yourself
like explain why you are town/why I should believe that you’re town
No, I can’t, because I have four minutes left on my break and a sundae to eat 
I’ll be back in about 2 and a half hours and will do my best to explain my thought process behind my posts
like regardless of your alignment you’re always going to say ‘no, your case is wrong, this is why I did what I did,’ right
whereas other people can be like ‘no, Arete, this read is completely illogical and you’re bad’ or ‘wow, that makes a lot of sense, I’m going to vote Light’
I mean realistically probably what people are going to say is ‘this case makes sense but I still think you’re a wolf because tOwN cAn’T bE wRoNg and therefore this makes Light town’ and then self-congratulatory pat themselves on the back, and then proceed in postgame to act like they had absolutely zero responsibility for the resulting loss because they refused to actually make a proper attempt at reading me and instead just pretended I’m some sort of mysterious enigma that can only be read on the metric ‘were they wrong about the alignments of two players’
You think it’s Arete then,
Then?*
others were scumreading Helen that game and there was nothing I could do, as Helen wasn’t even defending themselves
Let’s face it, most people are not the solviest on this site and thus them being solvey = towny with a fe exceptions.f
No worse than usual
TL;DR
I don’t trust people just townreading me all the time and the purpose for this is I don’t like bs trs on me. I have been pocketed far too many times and I don’t get obvious town vibes from you like I have in the past when you have had bad reads (like RM4)