Corrupt Votes FM - Day 6 (3/15) - Town wins by voting out town

[Arete]

no pressure Appel but what you do in the next 1.5 hours probably determines who I vote today :wowee:

[clonedcheese]

vote yourself

[Arete]

[CRichard564]

Vote Count

Accused	Voters	Number
PKR	Lemon	1/4
Appel	Arete,gorta	2/4
Arete	cheese	1/4
[Not Voting]	Appel, PKR

[clonedcheese]

@Appelsiini
@PokemonKidRyan

We have
an hour left

chop chop?

Hey at least you two are european

[clonedcheese]

i get that individuals don’t think lemon is scum

but can we yeet them today just so we have another day

silence an hour before EoD is inevitable with this stupid timeframe unoptimal

[clonedcheese]

Like
Thats the only option that is guaranteed to grant us another day

Please?
Like im probably going to be NKed and ppl might exe wrong tmrw
But
At least we’d have people here

[CRichard564]

Reminder that Day 5 ends in 1 hour 2020-10-13T08:00:00Z or when majority vote is reached on anyone.

[Arete]

resists the urge to read into the constant reminders of when EoD is

[Arete]

pretty sure yeeting Lemon is strictly suboptimal to not doing that even if you don’t think they’re modconfirmed townsiding (which I’m pretty sure they are)

like if we yeet Lemon then in the best case scenario we have 1 chance to actually vote out a wolf

if we don’t yeet Lemon then we get 1-2 chances to vote out a wolf depending on which way Lemon is siding

I acknowledge that you think this is a bad play because you think that I’m a wolf and Lemon’s scumsiding, but since I know I’m not a wolf I find this uncompelling

[clonedcheese]

Wait
I legit forgot “no exe” was an option

[clonedcheese]

@Arete

I acknowledge that you think this is a bad play because you think that I’m a wolf and Lemon’s scumsiding, but since I know I’m not a wolf I find this uncompelling

I think that lemon is scumsiding regardless of your role

I kust think youd be the most likely to be working with them

[clonedcheese]

It doesnt seem i can convince people of an Arete lynch, and i dont see people period coming to an agreement on one likely scum

Our optimal plays in this case would either be to lynch lemon here or no exe at all

I think voting noexe over lynching lemon is a tiny bit telling on its own

[Arete]

mrrrr

I can sort of see the arguments for a no-exe vote but I think it’s bad in this set-up because there’s so much votemanip flying around

although I haven’t actually done math to it

I would at least slightly consider the possibility?

[Arete]

the :wowee: tier play is to intentionally tie the votes between whoever we think the two towniest players in the game are on the theory that it 100 percent resolves Lemon’s alignment while also getting … someone in the PoE … killed

I think this is dumb but technically we could try to do it

[Appelsiini]

My WiM is super low right now, but bear with me.

Gorta's ISO

@an_gorta_pratai

This is an interesting claim. I don’t quite buy it and it makes me sus of Alice even more, but I won’t quite trust Alice even if they act like they are town siding and truthful because a survivor role wins by living till the end. I might would trust it if they became a VT by choosing to townside, but I don’t think Alice would “go down with the ship” when the scum most likely get close to winning.

Gorta starts out by talking about Alice for the first 10 posts. It could be an attempt to look productive, but I wonder if pushing mafia’s only possible ally would be wise for a wolf.

@an_gorta_pratai

anyway, time to ISO Alice

@an_gorta_pratai

Alice
Why do people townread Alice again? I went into this ISO thinking that if they didn’t claim noot I would TR them, but I don’t see evidence that they are townsiding. Like when they claim they are actively solving the game it’s just “x is rand V” with little sustenance. Her progression is also poor, like she claims starts out skeptical of Eli and claims that Eli posted more in SFoL 63, but then clears Eli for a random vote. Another example of this poor progression is that she initially clears me, but then suspects me the next post or two later. (you can just look at the examples below and her readlist) I do think Alice is a wolf or scum sided

@an_gorta_pratai

I am going to go lie down early tonight, but I will be here in a bit. Don’t hammer while I am sleeping

Why are you continuing to talk about Alice when you just said you should ignore her? He has spent 24 hours with this, even when it was established that 3p is self-resolving. Definitely not a good look.

@an_gorta_pratai

I think Eli and Seth are probably town from just reading the thread.

No reasoning, but “early” townread on Eli/Me & Seth. Day ends without a single mention about Wazza, or a stance on anything really, though they were sleeping during EoD.

---

@an_gorta_pratai

my n1 thoughts

Proceeds to talk about Alice even more

@an_gorta_pratai

I need to take a second look at Arete, but could you point out the scummy posts?

@an_gorta_pratai

Like I could buy Cloned’s thing about Arete being a wolf bussing Wazza in most worlds (even if I semi think Arete is town). Arete should have died over Insanity because Arete just got a wolf out and is a pretty good player, which wolves usually kill early enough (especially if Arete just got a wolf out)

I don’t understand Gorta’s focus here. He barely has reads, yet he doesn’t seem to be interested in reading anyone. Here he starts second-guessing himself because Cloned wants to vote Arete.

@an_gorta_pratai

Conduit
90% of Conduit’s ISO is just townreading Arete. The other 10% is townreading Eli and reluctantly vote Wazza. Their tone isn’t terrible, but the lack of content is something I hate from them. They don’t have any disagreements and just follow Arete. They don’t even ask why they should be voting Wazza and don’t make any visible effort to read Wazza. I also don’t see many meaningful questions asked and some things do look overly performative. I put this as a scum lean

Here’s their read on Conduit. Though the bolded parts are a bit ??? because they contradict themselves, I can’t really comment on this because I didn’t read their posts.

@an_gorta_pratai

Seth
This slot is most likely town, but for the wrong reasons. I do like the changes in tone and determination . I feel like Seth believe what he says and is actually trying to lead the town. He is just Seth and I feel like he is doing the usual Seth things. Seth is a higher up TR for me as of now

I really, really don’t want to have this whole post be criticizing but
The fact that they move Seth up after confirming they highly scumread Conduit, along with the way they imply Seth is wrong is… aaaaa.

@an_gorta_pratai

I have a suspicion that you bussed Wazza (hence my question earlier). I have went over my reasons for this suspicion. Cheese raised a decent point and it’s something I want to solve, but I am still solving this case, which is why I am not tunneling you right now. anyway, Light is the next ISO

I’m fairly sure Cloned went over this in their case on Gorta during the day I subbed in, or the day after that. Arete goes from a townlean to suspicious for CFDing to a wolf. I don’t see his thought process here.

---

@an_gorta_pratai

Light
I get light (no pun intended) town vibes from Light. I don’t know quite how they play as scum, but I like their tone and they seem to be doing a decent job with the solve. Nothing also really stands out to me, but I put this as a light town read

Gorta’s read on Light. This and the read on Eli are the only ones that have no hedge, really.

@an_gorta_pratai

Leafia
I don’t know how I quite feel about Leafia. Maybe it’s that I haven’t played a game with Leafia in a while, but the whole “if Wazza flips scum Light will look even more sus” thing kind of gives me bad pings and Leafia has also been sheepy. I don’t have a super high SR here, but it’s at least a scum lean.
Cheese
It kind of feels like Cheese is pushing agenda on d1 here. They primarily try to push Arete out d1 without any questions, try to save Wazza d1, and then keep trying pushing against Arete to only go “lol I was joking”. This one is kind of rushed, but there isn’t much to say (this is a SR)

Their scumreads at this point are:
Conduit
Arete
Leafia
Cloned

Whereas their townreads:
Seth

Which is… quite a problem, seeing how they are also considering the possibility of Tro being scum despite townleaning them.

@an_gorta_pratai

Tomorrow I want to take a closer look at Appel and re-evaluate some slots, but for now I am tired

(The only time this happened was 3 days later, when they pointed out that my vote was supposedly scummy.)

@an_gorta_pratai

Why in the hell are we blindly voting up derps? We did this with Conduit and Mole and they both flipped town, so why are we assuming derps is a wolf? Like we need to re-evaluate everything because if we keep seeing town flip the wolves are very deep in the town right now.

Letting Derps die here would’ve been very convenient and easy for Gorta, so this is a good look. No one would really push him for scumreading Derps, but insisting to re-evaluate is good, especially seeing how Light wasn’t in people’s PoE at the time.

@an_gorta_pratai

Here’s the deal, I will take a second look at Light and might be willing to vote there,but I want people who strongly believe light is scum to case that

…I, once again, can’t see his thought process here. He has 4 people in PoE and has yet to re-evaluate them, this is quite a big jump. But this doesn’t make much sense from a wolf either, because shouldn’t he want to take some towncred for scumreading Light if they were planning for a bus?

@an_gorta_pratai

I think I am better as a wolf than you think I am and I feel like you are downplaying my wolf game to bs a TR on me. Like I need some refinement, which wouldn’t be an issue if I didn’t rand town every game , but I can imitate my town meta as a wolf pretty well

@an_gorta_pratai

I know I am not unreadable, but you are clearing me on bs reasoning. Like you are clearing me on not acting like my SFoL 64 self and claimed I hardbussed Helen d1, but I didn’t start bussing until it looked hopeless. I did put suspicion, but that’s because Helen was sus as hell. I wasn’t the only one to sus Helen d1, as there were several others who did the same (including Emma, who I converted). Do you see why I think this reasoning is bs now?

Honestly, even though Gorta’s focus was pretty awful during early game, their actions here do seem towny. Refusing a townread and going after someone who pretty much everyone but Cloned townread doesn’t seem like something a wolf would do.

@an_gorta_pratai

I want to take a look at light, but @Arete would you be willing to compromise and vote light? What do you think of Light? I won’t vote without further research, but at this point I think it is semi telling that he is the most likely wolf partner

Yeah, alright, Gorta is probably town here. Unless he magically improved overnight, even though their first days were really bad, I’ll leave this slot be.

There’s 50 minutes until EoD, so our goal here should be to come to agreement on who to cuddle, or go for a nocuddle altogether.

[clonedcheese]

Pkr is mia

We have 0 clue how many votes lemon has

The scum candidate aint gonna disclose their actual vote power

Yeah that aint gonna work

[Appelsiini]

I hate that most of my reads right now are “a wolf wouldn’t do this” instead of “town would do this” but it is what it is. What’s the situation right now?

[clonedcheese]

1v2v1 for pkr, you, and arete respectively, with a vote parked on you and pkr

[Arete]

@Appelsiini

What’s the situation right now?

Lemon is voting PKR
cheese is voting me
Gorta + I are voting you

the thread is silent `because it’s 2 AM and I still haven’t done my homework