Court Wizard Rework Survey

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#142

Just gonna say 3 is incredibly weak. It doesn’t hold up as a main power. As an extra, sure, but as a main power it is incredibly UP.

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#143

Night Ability - Empower (unlimited uses) - Guarantee your target’s ability is successful and accurate. (Bypasses occupation, visit prevention, frame, etc.) Notifies you if it bypasses anything.

No. It is not underpowered at all. Bad results(invest) can harm BD. A butler with Bypass is scary for suspects. An empowered knight can kill evil without prevention, even when attacked(false CS Innocent), and a fakeclaiming Assassin cannot claim prevented. A Drunk can redirect everyone with that. Coordination is your friend. Random Empower is your enemy.
An Empower without notification also implicates something.
No really Empower is strong.

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#144

Bad results are incredibly rare. A Butler who bypasses immunity is merely an inconvenience to a couple evils.

It’s not that it does nothing, it just doesn’t do enough.

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#145

A butler who bypasses immunity can keep an assassin or CL on lockdown forever while they look for the other scum.

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#146

too op plz nerf.

#147

My point exactly.

#148

I like anything that doesn’t stop the court wizard from getting converted.

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#149

In anycase. CW is supposed to be the counterplay to other forms of counterplay.

#150

Plus remember what I said about emergent gameplay? You can do things like empowering another cw to swap the merc’s guard onto the prince.

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#151

Or empowering the sheriff to find the MM early,

#152

No.

MERC STOPS VISITS.

#153

Bosolf said that they can’t find the mastermind early even with court wizard

#154

ahem

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#155

get out of here court wizard

#156

That’s with the type based one.

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#157

Most of the time 3 nights is more than enough. The times where you need more than 3 nights of occupation is incredibly niche.

#158

Not really. The only reason you don’t see it being a problem more often for the butler is a lack of coordination. If a butler and a sheriff start working together then the Unseen is often screwed.

#159

Also the CW is great BECAUSE of niche stratagy’s you can use him for. I’d argue that those stratagy’s are his whole purpose.

Even if he can’t be fun (I think this would be fun but whatever) this way he can at least increase possibility space for the game as a whole.

#160

I can see the value in it being helpful for niche strategies, but I still think it would be better as a side ability.

It can serve that purpose, while not making the class have a UP main ability.

#161

Then what would be the main ability. Magic barrier is far worse than Empower and Ice ward would either be OP or limited use (and this not a good main ability either).