okay then true. 
Iād call Frenzy support because it buffs an allyās ability.
Iād classify communication and voting abilities as social, so Drug and Defile wouldnāt be social. Defile would be either special (if by special we mean simply doesnāt fit under any of the other classifications) or support (since usually itās used in conjunction with Assassinās kill ability).
Drug I suppose is offensive in a loose sense of the term.
I think Herbalist should be support though. And I also think Foresight should tell you the current and not converted class type. Because it seems like it adds an unnecessary difficulty to fake-claiming Princess.
Also odd that for practical purposes, the only āspecialā classes are Cult Leader and Mastermind. Why canāt we have more special classes?
Every other ability that tampers with results is considered social. What makes Herbalist different.
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What abilities are you referring to? EDIT: If you mean frames, I donāt consider them social abilities. The āsocialnessā of fool and scorned refers to trollbox not frame.
Aristocrat has Frame, Apostle and Illusionist have Mind Warp, all these mess with results
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those arenāt what I would call social though. theyāre anti-investigative so if not special, theyāre offensive
All of those are the main abilityās of those classes.
I think the REAL reason that Herbalist is offensive is because Drug used to redirect the target to a random player which is obviously offensive.
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All of those are the main abilityās of those classes.
I wouldnāt say Mindwarp is necessarily the main ability. I think I see Telepathy and Spy used with at least equal impact on the game, both of which I think we can agree are social.
Good point about old Drug. I was not playing when it was like that. However come to think of it, offensive is a fair description of current Drug too. Since it is a negative effect on another player.
It isnāt a negative effect because it isnāt an effect. Drug does not effect the game state in any way.
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Bascially:
Offensive abilityās mess with what actually happened
Social abilityās mess with what you think happened
Offensive abilityās mess with what actually happened
Iād say this is too broad a definition since it would make Merc guard prevention āoffensiveā.
Social abilityās mess with what you think happened
Canāt we agree that āsocialā is first and foremost related to chat communication?
It isnāt a negative effect because it isnāt an effect. Drug does not effect the game state in any way.
That seems an arbitrary way to determine what an effect is. It certainly affects the target by giving them a fake notification.
You may say this reasoning would make frames offensive too, however frames do not target the affected person. EDIT:: Wait, thatās wrong. I donāt even know anymore. lol. I just donāt think it feels right classifying a counter-investigative ability as offensive. But on second thought, maybe it does make sense. So Iād consider frames offensive.
I would even argue that Drug is even more social than frame and mind warp is. Because with Frame/Mind warp itās replacing your results. However with Drug you could vary easily ignore it and move on without even realizing it was fake. Itās only value is in how it makes the target react which is BY THE WAY THE DEFINITION OF SOCIAL.
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Itās only value is in how it makes the target react which is BY THE WAY THE DEFINITION OF SOCIAL.
Of all the various definitions of social, that isnāt one of them. Social means having to do with interaction between people. We have to limit this definition to communication (chat) otherwise we would end up labeling almost all abilities, even killer ones, as āsocialā.
What is a social person? One who talks with other people a lot. I would go so far to say that the colloquial definition of āsocialā is almost synonymous with ātalks to people a lotā.
Defile is not social because it has nothing to do with communication between players. Itās anti-investigative and in practice, a support to the Assassinās kill. So I maintain that Defile is support.
Because with Frame/Mind warp itās replacing your results. However with Drug you could vary easily ignore it and move on without even realizing it was fake.
This has nothing to do with whether the abilities are social or not. I can easily ignore some trollboxes without realizing they are fake. But that doesnāt make trollbox any less social.
It doesnāt even interact with investigative abilityās. An again itās only value is in itās effect on the chat. Just like with every other chat manipulation in the game itās effect begins and ends with how people react to it unlike with for example: Debauchery which can have an effect on who lives, who dies, who gets healed ect.
No. It makes it MORE social. Which is exactly my point
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Weāre arguing about something that is extremely important to the welfare and well-being of all humanity and the world.
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