Darling in the Franxx SFM - Game Over | Mafia Win

[Prophylaxis]

Wisdom has kinda took my weak Nightingale town road and shred it into pieces heh

[Lemonfairy]

@Zone_Q11

Okay, so why did you point these important reads like a side-note instead of focusing about them in your details/spoiler?
FTR, I really don’t care about A and B, but I am interested in C and D. Especially C.

because I was planning to comment post-by-post but there were too many posts and I couldn’t be bothered so I just made that part into notes. I also deleted a bunch of useless commentary so I was too tired by the time I got to the summary.

@Zone_Q11

Why would it be unlikely for Wiisp to be scum because of the sheer amount of people willing to switch to them last minute?
What’s your take on min, if you ignore everything they say about Wiisp?

uh… I think I forgot this game has like 21 (now 19) people. Either way, I would expect more of a push-back if a scum were in line of fire near EOD.
My take on min is… I want to scum-read them from their reactions but tbh my gut-read on them is TL because I read their frustration as genuine or something.

@Zone_Q11

Why did you bother to mention this if you think it is unlikely that Wiisp is scum?
Why would Tilg look bad if– actually, never mind this one. It would count as defending Wiisp.

Because I’m listing hypotheticals and this was an analysis. Just saying Tilg’s vote here was abrupt and Wiisp’s alignment might give insight into Tilg’s position

@Zone_Q11

Meh. Seems like a weak excuse from Aelin.
Voting PKR for the memes looks like a better excuse than paranoia.

I’m probably just defending Aelin because I have them as TL or something

@Zone_Q11

Read the underlined parts.
I am with Lemlem. This smells like opportunistic BS.
Especially the last sentence.

I thought Blitz’s response was ok actually. Bolded part does look weird.
I want to say I’ll do an ISO of them later but idk if I will have enough motivation to do anything.

[Lemonfairy]

It probably took me longer to do that analysis.
I’m glad you suffered as much as I did.

[Lemonfairy]

oh what
apparently I’ve been on this forum for one year?

[Prophylaxis]

@min

youre voting a neutread over a wolfread? do you think guill is neutral killer? im asking why youre voting someone who you read as neut over someone you read as just scum

we’re looking for wolves. if theyre a neut. cool, but that isnt the main focus.

This, this, this.

Kinda basic mafia theory but yeah

Neutral hunting distracts from scumhunting and is a topic wolves love to engage in

[Nikamara]

Tilgarial:

@Tilgarial

Wiiisp/zone not w/w

Tilg was comfortable making this alignment speculation very early on.

@Tilgarial

I’ve played with zone before, more than a couple times.
I’m perfectly aware that he is hard to read, and personally have no clue how to really read him
But, assuming we are both mafia, if i did know how and wanted to say it this game; I’d tell him in scumchat, and then talk about it “out loud” after the fact; and then give evidence as to how I came about being able to read him like that; even after a flip from me, it’d still hold weight as some sort of pocketing attempt? Maybe?
But it would have been a lot better than simply saying it during the early stages when posts are likely to be forgotten again bc it’s all meme’s anyways

when bombarded by replies as to why, this was the response, this is WIFOM.

@Tilgarial

That said; @Silviu200530 could ya look at an ISO from one of Marl/Min/aelin ?
Doesn’t really matter which one, I just wanna see how you think

this post was weird. up until this point Tilg hadn’t interact with any of the people on this list. Odd that he ask for this list specifically instead of Helz, Wind or Zone whom he had plenty of interactions with no conclusion other than townleaning on Wind.

@Tilgarial

Naturally. There is a reason that I’m witholding my judgement on you; of course.
However, things generally have a certain way that they naturally seem; and in human interaction, that is just a natural part and usually not easy to get rid of

Why were you withholding judgement on Silviu? Maybe I’m wrong, but how is with holding reads beneficial to the town exactly? X-x

@Tilgarial

Hey, Blitz. Could you ISO one of the following?
Marluxion/min/aelin
Doesn’t matter which, just pick one
They should all still have relatively few posts, so it isn’t much effort

2nd time asking for reads on these people. still hasn’t given any himself up to this point. Oh boy, I’m starting to think this is a classic case of misderection and appearing productive without doing any game solving.

@Tilgarial

Oh right. I forgot about that >.>

Then let’s replace you with… nakamara? Or something? I appologize if I got the name wrong

3rd time doing it, this time to Marl. Again no read of his own provided.

@Tilgarial

Well… okay then.
I guess I’m just a bit annoyed with you for a reason that’ll become clear by EOD and that I’m not revealing yet, but doesn’t have anything to do with your particular play specifically >.>

Was in response to PKR who voted Tilg without giving his reasons. Did you ever reveal the reason why you were annoyed with PKR? Link please if so.

@Tilgarial

I can’t believe that thing is turning even scummier, but after saying silviu doesn’t have enough meta on you for a meta read on playstyle, you’re now saying you have enough meta on him to judge his playstyle because you know each other outside of the game?
Are you being serious right now?

Had a meta townlean on Wind but changes after Silviu vs Wind. Now they were both scummy? Didn’t make any contributions to analyzing the reasoning of either party. Even though I know Silviu asked everybody for their interpretation of that interaction.

@Tilgarial

This is the point where my activity now dips; the other two games I’m playing just simultaneously went out of nightphase.
I’ll try checking in and I’ll keep to reading every single post, but I dunno how much more I’ll be doing.
I promise to be there for EOD, though

Made this post and then leaves without ever giving a single explained read.

After finally reappearing, we get this jokey read.

@Tilgarial

Min town
They share the last letter.
This is clearly a superior read

Why is Tilg avoiding serious reads? I’m inclined to believe that it’s because he can’t make them up.
The explanation he hinted at hasn’t been dropped yet.

@Tilgarial

@min can ya do me a favour?
Pick one or two of the bottom five posters and ISO them and give us a post with commentary on their actions/behaviour?

This is a clear pattern now. Ask for reads, give none of your own. #ProductiveISwearXD

@Tilgarial

And what’s your conclusion on Erika?

Still no cases. Pattern continues.

@Tilgarial

Interesting use of counter psychology.
You also realize you basically admitted to being mafia?

@Tilgarial

Instead of denying being scumbuddies with them, he tried deflecting by reverse-psychology trying to frame min

This is waffle (an argument full of holes) at best and TMI at worse. How would you know either of them is scum? Definitely adding min to my list of ppl to iso now. (For ref that’s Guill, Tilg, Night, Merc and Kaif due to this post Darling in the Franxx SFM - [19/21] | Day 2 - #4225 by Silviu200530)

@Tilgarial

Null to scum
On one hand I wanna simply say “null, the scum part is simply zone being zone”
But I haven’t actually got a clue
What I do know is that I don’t want him around for mylo/lylo unless we always have somebody better to lynch/he gets mechanically cleared somehow

only gave this because Marl asked for it and it’s practically nothing for someone who read all of the game post before Zone went off to play rpgs or whatever.

@Tilgarial

Me
And if not
I resist a min wagon

noted never says why he resist min wagon even though earlier he was saying Kaif and min are wolves because of reverse psychology.

@Tilgarial

/vote PKR @osieorb18

Come back EoD and votes PKR without any reason. The only people who cased PKR were Zone and myself and eventually I moved my vote because PKR’s responses felt genuine and I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt.

@Tilgarial

Anyways, time for my post:

@ town ignore this, it’s purely mindgames I wanna play with mafia. Especially healers and blockers, don’t protect me, thank you ~

@ mafia I’m an important PR, come and kill me!

All those hints at having a reason for not giving reads culminated in this post… mind games. That’s Day 1 Tilg

Day 2 start with a list of reads given at the request of Wind.

@Tilgarial

Helz - Town. I’m willing to believe this one is town; but I’m probably not going to sheep his reads without my own reasoning, for a couple reasons
Min - Town. I’ve only had two games with min; but I’m fairly sure I’ve got a good grasp of their personality, and they should be susceptible to my style of reading. I’d call it a gut read, but it’s more of a vague sense of how they post/structure their arguments/behave
Nightingale - scum? Has been behaving questionable today, tbh
Blitz - null/scumlean. Honestly, blitz’s reads aren’t bad and do show some thought being put in. I’m more worried about the fact he’s only showing up with them when he’s asked, while apparently deep in ISO’s (…I’m prolly not one to speak, but yanno >.>)
Lemon - townlean? They aren’t a particularly strong townlean tbh, but I just don’t see a reason for there to be so many SR’s on lemlem, and it’s making me paranoid
Wind - seems town from posts/arguments. I’m not too sure about this, but I’m hoping for it too. Town wind is fun.

^today’s reads

let’s analyze these reads

1. Doesn’t say why he thinks Helz is town. Funny you mention your own reasoning, since you’ve avoided giving any. Couple reasons - again hints at reasons without giving any. Also, why wouldn’t you be following someone you think is town who is clearly putting way more effort into the game than you are.
2. guts
3. QUestioNABle???
4. Yes you aren’t one to speak
5. paranoid…about his strong townlean… right.
6. unsure

To me this is a scum who was forced to fake reads on the spot. I’ve read 113/155 post and I think I’ve seen enough.

Overall, Tilg made what I’m assuming is an early TMI slip, then used misdirection to appear productive without actually doing anything, coupled with some pot stirring and then dipping out to avoid further notice. I didn’t find a single post in their whole iso that made me think “oh this is a good post”, or “this is a townie post.”

Conclusion: Strong Scumlean
Vote: Tilgarial
@osieorb18 @EliThePsycho

[Lemonfairy]

heyy wisdom

also wdym fooled?
I was town in that game

[Lemonfairy]

I- I don’t want to go back and read

[Nikamara]

Idk who is online atm but please don’t scroll past my ISO on Tilg just because it’s long.

[Wisp]

Does it have a tldr?

[Lemonfairy]

I’ll try x_x

[Lemonfairy]

this entire thread should have a tldr tbh

[Nikamara]

I think Tilg is scum.

[Nikamara]

those isos took like 5 hours. I’m exhausted.

[Aelin]

Scrolled past because it’s long
/vote Tigarial @osieorb18 @EliThePsycho

[Nikamara]

and I only did two of the ones I wanted to do so far. I was gonna do Nightingale next but I think min takes priority if I’m right about Tilg. Anyone did a case on min if so please link.

[osieorb18]

Votecount

Votee	Voted by	Votes
Wiisp	Prophylaxis, Guillotina, TheLukundo	3/10
TheLukundo	Helz, Silviu200530	2/10
Tilgarial	Nikamara, Aelin	2/10
Aelin	Wiisp	1/10
Blitz	Zone_Q11	1/10
Helz	Kaif	1/10
Kaif	Mercenary	1/10
Lemonfairy	SirDepsAlot	1/10
Mercenary	ErikaFurudo	1/10
Zone_Q11	Tilgarial	1/10
Not Voting	Blitz, Lemonfairy, min, WindwardAway, Wisdom	5

Remember to tag the hosts and make your vote extra visible (Separate line, bold) if you want it to reliably be counted. (This includes Eli.)

High-ho, high-ho, it’s off to pumpkin I go!

[Lemonfairy]

ngl those reads do seem half-baked
with regards to the posts above that one, I think Tilga does make some very strange (sorry Tilg) posts sometimes and I find it difficult to judge his alignment because of that
he’s been flying under my radar thus far tbh

[Lemonfairy]

@osieorb18

it’s off to pumpkin I go!

pumpkin?

[Lemonfairy]

there’s too many people in this game x_x