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[Prophylaxis]

Hmm okay. I remember kinda wavering on his alignment a little up until he claimed (and being fairly certain he was wolf when he didn’t react to Nika claiming backup… though now I just realized that he didn’t react because they were scumbuddies)

Time to bang my head against the wall using this forum software

[Aelin]

Ohayo
I mean, its definitely quieted down
I’ve been pooped these past few days due to schoolwork and AP exams, definitely underestimated how long this game would be lol
Three townies? You/Chloe/Blitz, easy. I’m pretty sure Zone is the last wolf, although I’m aware that there’s potential for him to just be dipshitting town. The PoE has been correct thusfar, and that’s probably pushed me a bit into a confbiased state but idrc tbh.
For both min and wisdom I don’t really like them, but I’m trusting Chloe’s read on them. However, in the case that Zone isn’t the last wolf, min would probably be my next go-to.

[Prophylaxis]

Thanks.

Talk to me about why you think Blitz is town? Think he’s ~likely town but combing through Nika’s posts right now

[Chloe]

god im so useless

im ISOing nika and my brain is like ‘wow thats a very unpartnered interaction with guillo’ and ‘oh that vote and shade on silviu looks hella w/v’

wowee

[Prophylaxis]

@Nikamara

@Nightingale

my reponse to @Nikamara is
I explained the reasoning its in my iso somewhere idk

my response to Helz’s case is
too bad lul
also my niarb is telling me Helz is pushing me in bad faith but w/e

So darling, I ISOed your post like you told me to.

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these are the post about Helz made before the one I’m replying to. Any reason you’ve gone from scum lean to null on Helz?

Kind of just blinking and wondering if this is a w/w/w conversation.

[Chloe]

had that on my clipboard and was gunna ask for your thoughts

[Prophylaxis]

[reposts overlapping venn diagrams again]

In all seriousness I would need to hop over to Nightingale’s ISO and maybe read the posts next to it to figure out the context lmao

[Aelin]

Wagon didn’t feel like a wolf wagon
I touched on it before, Chloe noticed it too
Their reaction to certain things seemed a bit TWTBAW, I couldn’t pick certain things out of 11k posts but I made a case on this earlier (day… 3?)
Overall they’ve seemed cognitively consistent, and when they didn’t, it wasn’t in a way that would benefit scum, yk?

[Aelin]

@Aelin

Early Blitz ISO is mostly negligible, emotion doesn’t really feel fake but they don’t take it anywhere.

@Zone_Q11

Hi. I want you to vote someone. Now.

@Blitz

sure

/Vote lemonfairy

@Blitz

Well it’s early so a bit of a placeholder and cause she was currently online.

Also cause her playstyle seems different from her more aggresive style I remember of her but I guess that can partly be pinned to her not having played in a year. Also I felt like she was trying to stir the convo away from tilg like 3 times in a deflectish way. Overall I’d still have my vote as more nullish

First vote, 665. Reasoning feels more like poking for a reason than an actual reason for a vote, which, in the specific context of Zone wanting him to give a vote, is towny IMO because it doesn’t feel like agenda.

@Blitz

All his actions feels particularly planned in the grand scheme, I mean there was no chance that he would get lynched at that time( atleast I think so) so his self-voting action felt more like a prod to genarate a response more than anything to me

Gave own thought which is
actually not terrible? Provides a decent reason for the action, and while this has potential W/W equity I’m pretty sure Guillo is V so the shielding doesn’t seem to make sense unless he was specifically a scum who thought Guillo was weak and was white knighting

@Blitz

Well, I’ve had her as a null-aligned moving slightly townie currently but I haven’t witnessed any particularly scummy behaviour from them. They have been talkatibe but there’s nothing wrong with that, plus they have been chiming in their opinions and reactions towards other plays constantly. morever they have replied to most of your doubts in a reasonable manner.

This feels kinda awkward

@Blitz

I haven’t played with PKR before but what are the chances of him TWTBAW?

@Blitz

tbh I got the same feeling from ISO’ing his posts earlier.

This looks good, especially with PKR’s green flip, because this is a pretty good thing to see and I’m not really sure why he would go for this/bring it up if it was W/V

@Blitz

woudn’t the first 600 posts not matter either then?

@Blitz

ahh mainly cause you said she’s good at playing both scum and town, woudn’t that make the first 600 the same as any after that?

actually feels like blitz is trying to interact with me and figure out where I’m at

@Blitz

I’ve had lemon on my scum list for a while but had given kaif a slight town lean early on, let me check his and tilgs interaction

mhm

@Blitz

Zone Q11 is always scum if he posts outside of his usual sleep schedule

Would like to see a follow-up on this
Trying to read Zone is like thinking you can read Old English just because you can read English

@Blitz

@kaif who would you vote for oustide of min since you don’t wanna go through with PKR?

@Blitz

I want to swap to wisip but feels like that would risk kaif getting lynched the most

@Blitz

/vote Wiisp @osieorb18 @EliThePsycho

Good EoD interactions

@Blitz

not particularly but I had them listed as a slight villager lean

this feels like
so random that i dont think a wolf would fake it?
like
most wolves would go “oh theyre claiming masons and they are/aren’t in wolf chat with us therefore they’re wolves/town”

@Blitz

Me switching back to PKR because with the votes were currently at a tie and I had seen Aelin swapping over to PKR. I wanted to avoid a possible tie and no lynch, Plus between both Kaif and PKR, I prioritised the former. Also, I didn’t have a chance to write a reason because I was trying to get my vote in as quick as possible before time runs out

@Blitz

Wisp had PKR nominated as a TR even before that, moreover the vote swap was needed to avoid them getting lynched

Also, I did notice wiisp’s vote but at that point, I had already written it and wanted to ensure that a tie wouldn’t develop between kaif and PKR in the last few secs so I went ahead with it

Lines up logically speaking
then he has a big ol readpost which im not going to go through but it gives a lot of reads, most of which being town, which i feel heavily reduces their agenda pool if they’re scum and it’s pretty good reasoning regardless

@Blitz

I’ve caught up and currently reavulating some of my leanings, partiucularly with wiisp.

Aelins interactions with wiisp further my townlean on Ael

Guess back to ISO’ing

says this but he’s not with me on the wiisp wagon
WIISP AND I ARE THUNDERDOMED
I AM SAYING HE IS LYING ABOUT HIS FLAVOR
why is nobody doing anything about this

@Blitz

to be fair our interaction isn’t particularly deep enough to give a W/W

argues against a non-W/W read, although this is mostly meaningless due to Tilga’s flip

@Blitz

The only post of theirs that particularly stand out as scummy is their reaction about the masons.

would like to see more on this please

@Blitz

I had lemon as a scumread for D1 and early D2, but the sheer amount of effort she put into disecting every one of my posts does make me consider, especially since she points out particularly town leaning points too

i might just have low standards for townplay but this gets a from me

@Blitz

you know I should have gone with my plan to claim a killing role earlier but there wasn’t enough time later on for it to suceed, i think. Also my death should provide dece

in my experience
scum… usually don’t go “okay yeah kill me i was going to fakeclaim but im literally fine as a lynch with minimal drawbacks”

@Blitz

what about the offchance that scum thought he was the 3rd mason? I actually had him pinned down as one of the likeliest possible candiates myself. Mostly around how the bandwagons around him revolved.

I think this is… pretty likely imo? This is the kinda angleshooty bit I was talking about earlier
but while I was in thread someone (Silviu?) made a readslist that had “The third mason” in it but not kaif, which he then quickedited
so its possible that someone or multiple someones around that time are on the scumteam
i was also personally thinking that kaif was the third mason but potato pot a to

@Blitz

After yesterdays 2nd session of voting I just feel like both wagons are mostly townie driven and that merc’s and wisdom are most likely townie

This overall feels just like
pushing blame away and going “everyone is townie lol” which i dont like

TL:DR - Blitz overall is a townlean, which lines up with my gutread from earlier
He seems slightly demotivated and busy today, yeah, but that’s reasonable after four town flips
i know im fucking demoivated
there is a bit of sketchiness in some of his posts and a decent bit of questionable shit in his posts today which is why its not a townread
but overall… people should not be on blitz
or just ignore me, i guess…

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[Chloe]

here - im replying to it

its the first cat video

[Aelin]

[Prophylaxis]

@Nikamara

Erika who I am to understand isn’t inexperienced pushed for a no lynch which statistically hurts town and then just sheeped the mason vote with no reasoning and said only ping her when there is a vote she should follow. Idk how this player is slipping through the cracks.

ErikaFurudo
@osieorb18 @EliThePsycho

@Nikamara

Damnit I forgot to put vote again
Vote: Erika Furudo
@osieorb18 @EliThePsycho

Reason #2079 why Chloe is town.

@Nikamara

I wanted to iso a few people, seems Guill, Tilg, Night, Merc and Kaif might be good places to start.

rUlE oF fIvE :wowee:

Man Nika was really quite good at casing people, huh

Really went under the radar for quite a while this game because of that

[Chloe]

absolutely level-0 read that i’m going to look into more as i continue iso’ing but:
theres a distinct pattern of nika pushing for what i’d consider LHF

silviu → PKR → erika → tilga

considering she had a major push throughout the game on Blitz i’d say this is a point in his favor

[Chloe]

@Prophylaxis

Really went under the radar for quite a while this game because of that

yeah im not sure if i get there on her tbh? at least not as fast as we got there on small

she played a hell of a game

[Aelin]

Small pulled a BotF III Leafia

[Aelin]

God that has to still be the fastest a replacement has ever sunk a slot

[Chloe]

i have zero clue what you’re talking about but this sounds mean):

small did his best for a game with ten thousand goddamn posts and 2 dead woofers including the deepwolf

[Aelin]

it is kinda mean
the joke is that there was a semi-townread slot that subbed out
and then they instantly went like
into the depths of tartarus

[Prophylaxis]

Yeah, I think we definitely take longer to get to her if she stayed in

Think the claim discrepancy would have prevented her from ever making a deep run, but looking thru her ISO she clearly knew how to wolf

Honestly wolves in this game played pretty well, Helz/Lemon/Nika were townreads of varying degrees at various points this game

[Prophylaxis]

Some relevant Nika quotes:

Nikamara is a cat

@Nikamara

why are ppl scum reading Blitz. I dont have much of an impression of them. I really don’t remember any Blitz post X-x

@Nikamara

sigh

*Vote: Blitz

@Nikamara

my reasoning on Blitz from earlier ^

@Nikamara

From one perspective Zone’s EoD looked a bit opportunistic. He was oddly relaxed and posted some popcorn emojis. But from another, he was the one doing the vote counts and making the game state easy to digest. Also he prevented a tie, which to me is a good thing because no flip = no info.

Who’s pinging me is Blitz.

the ladies I still town lean.

@Nikamara

I think min is town. I was hypothesizing that Tilg, wisp and min were scumbuddies due to their interactions. min turned on Tilg at the drop of a hat when I was making my case and said something to the effect that “no way am I getting sr because of Tilg defending me”

clearly Tilg’s defense was genuine and if Tilg was town and min knew that, she would only gain from association post flip. Instead she thought Tilg was scummy too and didn’t want any association with him.

@Nikamara

Also

Vote: Blitz
@osieorb18 @EliThePsycho

anyone have a good reason why this isn’t the lynch today??? After the wrong EoD two new wagons popped up and rn I’m inclined to think Merc might be town. Nothing has inclined to think Blitz is town.

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@Blitz

I have doubts about Nika’s claim for the most part. Since she gave it away far too simply after being prodded. Wiisp’s felt more organic since they were on the border of getting lynched already
While the babysitter on the otherhand is a role who becomes much less useful when it dies so a full reveal is bit offputting. It does make them more of a danger risk to scum since they might have been intentinally defending one of them

@Nikamara

I had to leave for hours. If you check the game you’ll see I wasn’t able to come back for like over 9 hours iirc. I didn’t want to get hammered over a lie. You have to take the claim in context of that. Really dislike this push. I’ve explained this to death by this point.

@Nikamara

tr: proph, Wind, Helz, min, Aelin, chloe, luk, sir derps a lot, silv
null: Zone, sir derps a lot, wisdom, lemonfairy, merc,
scum lean: guillotina, wisp
sr: blitz

@Nikamara

From my perspective I thought that Blitz hinted at being scum before he thought he was going to be lynched. He said something along the lines of “I should have claimed vig”, but then as soon as the thread opened back up a pile of people hopped off this wagon because Silv started a CFD against Wind. I think scum took advantage of Silv’s vote to save their mate which is why I defaulted right back to my initial conviction of voting Tilg (who voted Wind) and I closed the thread because I though I sounded like a broken record. I had been arguing with Tilg all day and I felt like there was nothing else I could say there. Merc was the counter wagon that popped along with the Tilg one and it seems like Blitz was all but forgotten in the chaos. That’s suspicious.

@Nikamara

@Prophylaxis also another reason why I’m scum reading Blitz is because I didn’t @ him, I only said his name when he wasn’t around at all to my knowledge and he immediately popped into the thread. Idk if he was lurking, but that is one heck of a bloody coincidence and I only mentioned it once because I know it’s angleshooty but I’m inclined to think this was a TMI slip and that he had scummates in the thread who told him to go respond to Nika.

@Nikamara

I’m sorry. After leaving I was stewing on this point and realized I completely overreacted. It was angleshooting to begin with and I don’t like solving like that. I won’t bring it up again. Because I was back reading I wasn’t aware of the current post and when I came back to the present again I zeroed in on you over this. It was bad of me to even consider it in the first place.

[quote=Nikamara] I feel like I shouldn’t sheep cuz last time I blindly followed ppl in a game against my gut read, I lost to guillotina. So I’m going to back read and form my own conclusion on Helz…tomorrow after I wake up XD

tentatively gonna vote here

Vote: Blitz

@osieorb18 @EliThePsycho[/quote]

@Nikamara

I’m a bit frustrated by it but I feel like I should defer to the logic of others on Blitz due to the meta knowledge which I lack because pushing it is making me get needlessly scum read which is unproductive because I’d be wasting my energies fighting with ppl I feel are town (Luk, Chloe, Wind) trying to push something which isn’t going anywhere due to conflicts in logic and only makes it likely for me to die (by ML), and it’s not like any scum is going to be killing me due to me now being in practically everyone’s PoE. so I should be spending my energies on other scum leans outside of Blitz and focus on clearing myself. And the first step is doing that is bagging a wolf.

@Nikamara

and I think min is LHF (sorry babe) and that scum is pushing an agenda there on min suspicion because that Tilg interraction was pretty telling imo, unless I’ve been beautifully played and I think if that were the case, min would tried better to remind me of this point instead of relying on AFK nika to remember.