Either way, it’s 2AM yet I slept at 7PM to 1AM. Need to do some last minute studying like a good student
cya around
Either way, it’s 2AM yet I slept at 7PM to 1AM. Need to do some last minute studying like a good student
cya around
I studied till 9 pm the night before and then ran code until 3 am like the messed up student I am, and it’s 3 am again now but my only excuse is that I wasn’t sleepy kek
Good night!
TFW you get off of work when everyone else is saying good night
Oi. Don’t put words into my mouth.
I started the idea of 3P being Arso.
The idea of 3P existed before I gave Arso idea.
smallworldz gave idea of me being Arso.
Then I used that idea to see what min would do with it.
Oh wait. I forgot about this.
Hang on, let me say something in private.
Okay gonna do a quick-ish catch up then work on what I said I would yesterday.
Then why are you voting Lemlem instead of Whysper right now?
Just adding onto this, Helz cased Nightingale (Wisdom slot) towards the late end of Day 1 in a way that did not read like w/w distancing. Felt very much like Helz was trying to shade Nightingale’s (slightly unorthodox?) playstyle
Will go into this in more detail when I finish up my post on Helz interactions, but I’d be really surprised if Wisdom is scum here.
Why the /unfortunately/ here, Zone? Shouldn’t it be a good thing when we figure out that someone in the PoE is likely town?
@WindwardAway - I think you probably already saw it, but it was Nika’s post 9514
Fair, yeah I poked around in his ISO a little more and he kinda did the full 180 wrt his read on Lemon so I’ll keep reading more before coming to any solid conclusions.
I wanted to give Lemon a little more time/space to work around Today after I kinda held their feet to the fire a bit Yesterday, hence why I haven’t been really poking or prodding at them much (plus I already have a hefty to-do list when it comes to this game).
I do want to hear from Blitz as to why they think Wisdom is mafia. Do they think that the Nightingale/Helz interactions come from buddies?
I want to get a better handle on your alignment, especially since I’ve just been reading your posts as they pop up but not actually /thinking/ about them
It’s weird because I feel like you’re one of the few people in the game who has actually reached out to me and interacted real-time but I’m still not really… confident in your alignment. Want to change that before EoD.
Welcome @smallworldz. I understand this game is daunting but would still appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks Chloe for the wallpost on me.
Yeah I didn’t really know anyone in this game other than Wisp, so I just tried to solve and work through things my own way and it… appears to be working out decently. Usually my first times on new sites end up a lot more disastrously lmao.
I want to go through Helz interactions before I come to any sort of conclusion on Blitz. He’s in my head as like “probably town due to being on the Wisp CFD” but his vote on Wisdom certainly raised my eyebrows. (Blitz uses he/him right?)
rEaD mY iSo
Why are you relying on Chloe to spoon-feed you reasons as to why she thinks I’m town rather than reading my ISO/interrogating me to figure it out?
This, this, this.
(Funny anecdote wrt this: Was playing in a complex setup with Askthepizzaguy, famous mod/player on MU. He looked super townie for most of the game because all he did was post walls, but around the mid-game he started saying that we needed to hunt the (mod-confirmed existence of) neutral because it was gonna be a huge problem for the town. We all bought it and his wolf team cruised to an easy victory)
Tbh ii reallly dont like this list
legit it feels like 1 one luk,zone,proph is scum from that list-mostly cause of how shoehorned it feels
still reading up and its also bedtime here so gn to y’all~
i’d say luk here is scum but i still have to do some ISOing and reading up
Also look at the people they didnt mention in the list or the bottom 3
the poe list feels more natural and based on their reads rather than spew or bus
Does anyone know how to spoiler stuff on this forum? Like when Aelin was posting her cat videos.
Finished with Helz ISO, just have no idea how to spoiler it.
catching up now
to spoiler its:
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Helz interactions.
This forum doesn’t have a table function so I can’t really do a nitty gritty chart but I should still be able to evaluate the interactions.
As Chloe has been saying, hate hate hate how he dismisses Guill’s play as jester-like. Perfect storm of distancing/making it so that you don’t have to fake a read on your buddy.
The min read feels like he has TMI that min is town, so it’s a good look for min.
The Zone read is a little weird because he is essentially fence sitting on him/giving himself an escape hatch to scum read Zone in the future, by saying that Zone could have a good wolfgame. So not exactly sure how to evaluate this, here.
He also kind of ties Tilg with Wisp or Zone, but I’m not reading too much into that because Tilg mentioned Zone and Wisp themselves.
Lmao he was really trying to get people to neutral hunt this early in the game?
This kinda makes me think Lemon/Helz are not aligned?
Like, why would Helz just pick off/shade a buddy like this? I have a feeling that if Helz is scum with Lemon then he is… just kinda content to let her do her thing, and not post something like this.
And yeah, this entire post makes it kind of unlikely that he’s scum with Mercenary. Don’t think Helz ever takes an issue with how one of his scumbuddies is reading a certain player like this; it strongly reads as though he is trying to shade/incriminate Merc here.
Not w/w interactions IMO.
This is worded neutrally enough that I think this can go either way re: Blitz.
Continues to call Guill jester.
This is re: Nightingale (Wisdom slot). Feels like this indicates that Wisdomslot/Helz are unaligned since Helz is trying to shade Nightingale here.
…and Helz cases Nightingale here too. Yeah I really don’t think this is w/w lol.
Here he chainsaws Luk for being a part of the Wisp CFD. Couple this with how he treats Luk D2/D3 and this is the evidence that makes Luk pretty close to confirmed town.
Hard townreads Guill. Yeah the way they dismissed this slot as Jester and then shifted to hard townreading them has huge scum equity for the Whysper slot, but we already knew this lol
Now yeah, I can see this being sort of a w/w interaction? The thing that’s concerning to me is how much it reads like Helz is throwing a lifeline to a struggling scum buddy to give them chances to re-engage with the thread.
Ehh.
Actually now that I read the post again I’m not so sure about that since Blitz literally said that they were “struggling to jump in”. I do feel like Helz would have shaded this slot a little more if Blitz were v but that’s like the thinnest of reads. So yeah, I thought this post was potentially indicative of Blitz scum but now I’m not so sure.
Here’s Helz’s defense/180 on Lemon that I mentioned before. Not the best look for this slot, but going to read thru more and see if he interacts more with Lemon.
Pretty sure Chloe is never w/w with how she interacted with Helz but just wanted to point out the language involved here.
The way Helz worded it like “this may be a good slot for people to push for activity” - he used extremely passive language to pressure Erika here, like he didn’t want to get involved in the actual pressuring of Erika. I don’t think he does this to one of his buddies.
Not really sure if this is Helz TMIing Zone as town here or if he’s trying to cover up/hard townread one of his buddies - the way he’s wording this is pretty flat and by the book?
Pretty similar to Zone tbh, just digging into individual posts of theirs to townread them. If anyone else would like to weigh in on these specific posts/interactions, feel free - I just think they read as pretty flat.
Luk mega town from this. You can literally hear Helz revving up that chainsaw.
Helz confirmed has BIG BALLS as scum lmao
(not really relevant, just something I found amusing from his ISO)
Feeeeeeeeels like scum trying to ask town what they think of their case on another townie? Just like trying to think - if Chloe says Helz has a divide and conquer strategy as scum then, wouldn’t Helz want scum min somewhere else?
…still trying to wrap my head around if Helz would talk to scum!min about their mutual scum buddy Wisp. Probably not?
Ehhhh, this is more defense of Blitz.
Their catchup post was definitely good at the time but the fact that Helz tried to give Blitz a lifeline back to the thread and now is getting fake cold feet on scum reading them does not make me feel especially great about the slot.
scroll scroll scroll past the stuff about fake rape accusations
This is a super weird interaction. Trying to figure out now if scum Zone/scum Helz just try to talk about… digging through Zone’s ISO about themselves and Zone going "I give up.
It’s probably a throwaway interaction but still a pretty bizarre one.
Yeah and here is Helz making Wind adopt the position of town leader/him hiding behind her reads.
Luk town Wind town yeeee
Chloe town yeeeee
I think Helz was super comfortable with where the game was going prior to D3 and his reactions to Wind/Chloe on this page feel like him melting down in real time
I am really not sure if wolf Helz tries to clear town Lemon like this when he I assume is in full-on panic mode due to the Wisp train plus the fact that he received significant pressure on Day 3. I think Chloe mentioned something about her rescinding the townslips/derptell reads based on reading Helz’s manifesto or something, and I think I’m inclined to do something similar?
I assume this is some sort of distancing based on Whysper replacing in plus him going all panic mode on Day 3?
Not going to be really looking at Day 4 I think; I’m pretty lazy so I don’t want to go through the last 100 or so posts of his ISO, and I have a suspicion that Helz went into antispew pretty early on into Day 4.
For conclusions… honestly they kinda just strengthen my current read on the gamestate rather than change it up drastically. Chloe, Wind, Lukundo, Wisdom basically spewed town. min is weird because… a couple of posts he was talking to them felt like he was trying to convince min to join him on Lukundo, but those interactions are less clear than the others. Merc is also very likely town due to the stuff on Day 1 but he kinda shifted focus off of her after Day 1.
Honestly makes me even more sure of the (Lemon/Blitz/Whysper/Zone/Nika) because he townread all of those slots at various points, so yeah. Was hoping for something a little more definitive but instead it’s just… hopefully confirmation that we’re on the right track?
@Blitz can you expand on this please?
At this point in the game, Wisp’s death was certain, and everything he was saying around here was a truckload of wifom
I genuinely don’t find myself able to get any solid analysis out of this ‘legacy’ - as it seems to just be the reads he was repping throughout the game. I know some people believe in Rule Of Three but I put more value in why rather than the who
This list of players (and players outside of it) doesn’t do anything for me in itself, and I don’t really think it should be used as something conclusive regarding these players’ alignments - and its better to focus on why he put them there in the first place, and how he talked with/about them
If you could give a look at his interactions with those players outside of this one post it’d be appreciated
Probably not gonna do a full ISO on Zone, but more likely just skim through his posts before sleeping tonight just to get a sense of how he thinks/operates. Want to have a life outside of work and this game lmao (plus I’m getting lazy)
When is EoD?
tomorrow at 10pm pdt
Biggest thing the ISO gave me is I can see what people are putting down re: Blitz, but I need to reread their entire progression around EoD1.
I still don’t really think that scum Blitz just joins that Wisp CFD, but I need to reread the context around that EoD again
Oh lmao
Okay I’m just gonna be max lazy then for the rest of today
I’d very much appreciate if people don’t hammer before EoD
I plan on going through all of my townreads one by one and explaining why I believe they’re clear (i’ve already done so for luk/proph/kinda wisdom)
I think theres a chance I die tonight so I want to be as clear as possible regarding those reads. I don’t want wolves to have any wiggle room to drag people out of a towncore i’m rather confident in being pure
but every time i start my brain tells me to procrastinate