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[Prophylaxis]

@Zone_Q11: What is your read on smalls? You said that you wanted them to flip the most but your scumteam guess is min/Blitz. Do you think the team is smalls/min?

[Zone_Q11]

@Blitz

@Zone_Q11

@Blitz, update your reads.
Who are the last 2 scum?

As for my reads, it’s still the same as before
Smallworlds in lead.
If the game still goes on then one of the 3 from my list going from Wisdom->Min->Zone

Ya, I’m having one small problem with that:

@Zone_Q11

–at one point in time, smallworldz switched his vote unto Wisdom, which he kept until EOD6. I find it unlikely that smallworldz/Wisdom are W/W, but I don’t know whether Blitz has noticed that or not.

From what I understand, you have one scum within smallworldz/Wisdom, so am I correct to assume that the last scum -according to you- is always within min/Zone?

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@smallworldz

i backed up whysper and now i have an ability called killblocker

Ya, nice try but no. That ain’t our ability.

[Prophylaxis]

@Zone_Q11

I cannot. I made my conf!bias read on those two on a whim and kept reinforcing it with the intention of tunneling.

Why can you not do behavioral analysis?

You’re genuinely unable to read a player’s post, put yourself in the shoes of the person making that post, and then using that to guide your read on them?

[Zone_Q11]

@Prophylaxis

you wanted them to flip the most

I did not say that. I said:

@Zone_Q11

Both reads are essentially carbon vopy of each other. The only main difference being that Lemlem TR’ed Wisdom whereas Blitz SR’ed her.
Aside from that, Lemlem was SR’ing min whereas Blitz was TL’ing them…
At this point I want to see what smallworldz will flip as; he is nullread by Lemlem and SR’ed by Blitz.

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@Prophylaxis

Do you think the team is smalls/min?

After seeing Blitz’ third reply: Yup.

If that isn’t it, then I’d have to re-eval everyone other than Merc and Aelin.

[Prophylaxis]

@Zone_Q11

Folks, IDK what smallworldz/Blitz are, but can we at least agree that it’s either W/V or V/W?
I don’t think they can be W/W based off VCA, and I simply don’t think it’s V/V either.

I thiiiiink smalls/Blitz are unaligned based on how Nika tunneled Blitz for most of Days 2/3/4? But I’d need to reread the context around that to make sure. Hence why I wanted a smalls flip Yesterday and I still want it Today.

[Mercenary]

I’m sad we flipped the LW and not one of the main wolfteam yesterday because I like doing association reads ngl

At the same time I’m happy because then we won’t get on a wild wolf chase hunting the LW when we wipe scum out

[Zone_Q11]

Technically, I can make a read if I spend effort, but I’d rather just wing my reads on the fly.

Additionally, emphathy is a useless pain since I can see anything from both perspectives. I definitely cannot use it as my guide.

[Zone_Q11]

@Zone_Q11

@smallworldz

i backed up whysper and now i have an ability called killblocker

Ya, nice try but no. That ain’t our ability.

Wait a minute. Whysper. Not Windward.
Never mind me then.

[Zone_Q11]

Hm… Hey @smallworldz, why did you choose Whysper over any other dead couples that we can never check anymore?

[Prophylaxis]

@Zone_Q11

By the way Proph, have you ever been sync’ed with anyone at all so far?

Nope, haven’t been this game.

I assume the masons tried to sync me with Lemon but it failed because… yeah.

[Zone_Q11]

…that settles it then.
We have a 2nd Mafia Child.

[Chloe]

@Zone_Q11

For someone who’s been giving low effort, I’d expected that they would bite the bait that is me if they are scum.

I don’t really share this opinion
If you’re indeed a villager, a wolf probably doesn’t care to plop their vote on you when the entire thread is focused on Whysper
They don’t lose anything by doing so - but I feel like wolves were more focused on making sure nothing happened to change people’s minds on Whysper

@Zone_Q11

do you see what I see?

not really
sorry
like
Blitz’s rebuttals are all sound? They add up - and he’s remained consistent

Also his responses don’t feel like they’re trying to paint you in a bad light - but moreso just trying to explain his perspective and help you understand it

@Prophylaxis

I don’t think analyzing that EoD4 Helz wagon is a very good idea. With how that Day went, Helz was basically outed scum as soon as he claimed in the middle of that Day, and the votes on him were kind of composed of who was online at the time. Someone correct me on this if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the late game vote counts are going to be super useful given the current gamestate context. I would personally place more weight on votes/wagons Days 1/2/3.

I don’t really think anyone other than me/wind/luk really gets credit for the helz wagon (this sounds self-centered lol, apologies), and i dont think any votes after I reposted my case, as well as after he claimed, get townpoints.

(Funnily enough this is one of the problems i have with small. He tried to award lemon townpoints both for helz’s vote on her, and for her vote on helz, when its… not AI at all)

@smallworldz

sooo i have news

i backed up whysper and now i have an ability called killblocker

did you do any backreading overnight by chance?

@Zone_Q11

@Zone_Q11

–at one point in time, smallworldz switched his vote unto Wisdom, which he kept until EOD6. I find it unlikely that smallworldz/Wisdom are W/W, but I don’t know whether Blitz has noticed that or not.

From what I understand, you have one scum within smallworldz/Wisdom, so am I correct to assume that the last scum -according to you- is always within min/Zone?

ftr
im not saying wisdom is a wolf, but i dont think small’s vote on her clears them as not w/w - as she wasnt going to pick up traction yesterday in just about any world

@Prophylaxis

I thiiiiink smalls/Blitz are unaligned based on how Nika tunneled Blitz for most of Days 2/3/4? But I’d need to reread the context around that to make sure. Hence why I wanted a smalls flip Yesterday and I still want it Today.

yes
also blitz suggesting the idea of a CFD onto small with like 5 minutes left into the day doesnt feel particularly partnered considering the fact that lemon could very well have been a villager from a packwolf perspective (unless they had mech on her or something… or they successfully signaled back and forth, i guess)

[Chloe]

also dude i re-read helz’s post where he gave lemon cred for the ‘townslip’ and

@Helz

I feel like this could potentially be a town slip or at least ‘Not team scum’ under the thinking that scum would share such info. So either team scums chat is not 24/7
or Lemon is less likely to be team scum.

lolllllll

[Prophylaxis]

“Less likely to be team scum”

[Zone_Q11]

@Chloe

@Zone_Q11

For someone who’s been giving low effort, I’d expected that they would bite the bait that is me if they are scum.

I don’t really share this opinion
If you’re indeed a villager, a wolf probably doesn’t care to plop their vote on you when the entire thread is focused on Whysper
They don’t lose anything by doing so - but I feel like wolves were more focused on making sure nothing happened to change people’s minds on Whysper

Fair enough.

@Chloe

@Zone_Q11

do you see what I see?

not really
sorry
like
Blitz’s rebuttals are all sound? They add up - and he’s remained consistent

Also his responses don’t feel like they’re trying to paint you in a bad light - but moreso just trying to explain his perspective and help you understand it

Your eyes are fine. My point was: “It looks like I was wrong about Blitz.”

@Chloe

im not saying wisdom is a wolf, but i dont think small’s vote on her clears them as not w/w - as she wasnt going to pick up traction yesterday in just about any world

This one I disagree with for the time being.
I have biased views on votes which disables me to see the big picture.

[Zone_Q11]

…should we just quickhammer smallworldz and rid him of his misery?

[Chloe]

no

if you suggest a quickhammer again im gunna bonk you

we’ve barely heard from some people today
and
if small is a villager, he deserves as much time as possible to toss thoughts into the thread (or give us spew if hes a wolf. thats cool too!)
and if hes a wolf i want as much time as possible to find his buddy

doubt i die tonight because apparently aelin is like
unprotectable or some shit
but
ye
we chillin

[Prophylaxis]

The world I’m trying to operate under right now is “if smalls flips scum, who is the last wolf?”

I still think Zone is pretty likely to be that last wolf but idk, his posts Today have been decent-ish? The thing that is giving me pause is the stopgap on Blitz which seems kinda real rather than an attempt to shade

The thing that I still don’t like is his refusal to look at interactions/mindset and instead only look at votes, when I don’t think the vote counts in this game are very useful past days 1/2/3.

[Chloe]

zone we get to a point where your hard focus on making reads solely based on VCA seems like an out from making legitimate reads - which makes me mrrr a lot because its super easy for a wolf to hide behind the argument that they cant make reads outside of VCA
since everything is super base level and we cant dive into your thought process

[Chloe]

did we just