Dreaming Gods and Dreaming Titans FM - Game Over [5/24] - Bellerophon and Pegasus Win!

[Mistyx]

day 1 reads/eliminations should really not have debate like they do imo

[clonedcheese]

@CRichard564

Getting pushed on for bad reasons.

what is the subject

[CRichard564]

You know what this game has shown me?
People can’t distinguish TMI from meta reads.
Clearly it takes 2 silly gooses to show this is the case.

[Mistyx]

I have been using meta reads that have gotten not called TMI?

I didn’t like your Centuries meta read because it was just a read without any of the why behind it

[Centuries]

@CRichard564

People can’t distinguish TMI from meta reads.

Your meta reads are literally saying people are town due to tone being similar to previous games

You used meta to read me

In the past 3+ years of me playing Mafia I’ve never played a scum game with you in it

[Centuries]

@TheBlueElixir

V!CRich gets falsely redchecked(I faked it late in that day)

@CRichard564

Ok that’s fake TBE.

@CRichard564

Also that’s an awfully late claim from TBE.

I was on you last night Napoleon.
Yet you’re alive so I can’t be assassin. If I was MM then I’d be immune to a red check yet TBE has me as not immune to a red check.

@CRichard564

Also if TBE found me as Unseen, why did he wait so long until outing this?

Don’t you think he would have outed it first thing in the day?

@CRichard564

I’m not softing my class Napoleon. I’m pointing out that I can’t be a killer class because of my N1 visit.

@CRichard564

That still doesn’t explain why TBE waiting so long before outing a “red check” on me.

So it sounds like I’ve been framed here.

@CRichard564

You waited until half the day is finished before you outed your info.

That alone makes your check suspicious as hell.
There is no world where you are town and you’d out your red check this late.

@CRichard564

I did think you were a slight town lean before this and now you waited so long for a fake red check that you are scum read right now.

@CRichard564

If anyone else reading this is thinking of voting me, ask yourself why this wasn’t outed first thing in the day? There is no way he would have waited this long to out until over half the day is over as town.

@CRichard564

At this point I’m not sure at this point. It is either a frame or TBE is faking a red check on me.

@CRichard564

Besides I can confirm factions who killed Jane N1.

@CRichard564

You kill me today and you won’t know the faction/s who killed Jane N1.

^note that the above are softs, only a singular class is able to find the faction type

The King asks town killers to kill W!CRich d1

@CRichard564

Based on your word and entrance? You admitted in your own words you are conf biased against me.

Does this remind you of anything?

@Arete

at this point I’m definitely confbiasing but CRich’s tone is

So in your own words, why should anyone else believe your read on me when this is on record you are biased against my slot?

@CRichard564

You have to be really stupid if you scum read for the worst reasons I’ve ever seen. Wow I expected better from you, yet you disappoint me.

@CRichard564

Yes I can see that. For the worst reasons possible. How awfully convenient that I get meta read as town all these games until this one.

@CRichard564

Any invokers should be thinking of poisoning this king right now.

The King was the one pushing CRich

@CRichard564

You admitted in your own words that my meta is evolving. Have you ever considered that my play so far is reflected by my meta evolution?

@CRichard564

He’s probably hoping that I get [killed] and the [killer] [guilt]. Nice [Evil King] play much?

@CRichard564

I think Seth was a better EK than Napoleon is in the more likely scenario he is one.

Threatening to GT someone D1? What kind of GK does that?

@CRichard564

Yeah well i don’t believe a word you say.

both of these get p heated, probably too much

the V!game seems to be more ‘theres no way’ attitude and the W!game seems to be more ‘your read is bad’

uh

Havent actually compared it to this game yet but im posting this here anyway for anyone

This is good meta that makes me TR him

You saying I’m town because I’m similar to previous games due to town

well no it makes me feel nothing

[Mistyx]

Also if you’re going to call me the most anti-town player you’ve ever seen you may as well call me a dunce you don’t need to edit it

[CRichard564]

@Centuries

Your meta reads are literally saying people are town due to tone being similar to previous games

Yes and look at how I get rewarded for it.
TMI, therefore scum.

[sulit]

@Centuries

wtf sulit tinfoils conboi scum?

wtf sulit would never

[CRichard564]

Trust me I’ve got worse descriptions for you.

[Mistyx]

go ahead lol I’m about to sleep anyway so I’ll feel better by tomorrow no matter what

[TheBlueElixir]

@Centuries

In the past 3+ years of me playing Mafia I’ve never played a scum game with you in it

what

ive been playing FM for like 2 months(you can see when I joined here, ive only played on this site)

@CRichard564

Trust me I’ve got worse descriptions for you.

@Mistyx

go ahead lol I’m about to sleep anyway so I’ll feel better by tomorrow no matter what

CRich

dont go ahead.

[CRichard564]

Good I don’t want to talk to you right now.

[Centuries]

@Centuries

Yeah I’m tired of losing at Mafia so I’m just going to post Alice’s day 1 post from Insurgency just do what she said

@Alice

So for a NAI opening I’m planning on creating a plan for us to improve the villaging bar and to avoid the mistakes that happened in JJBA and Anime and instead we’ll play this like NDFM, so in short, here’s what we’re going to do.

A) We are going to create a shots list and stick to it.

I don’t mean blindly adhering to it without re-evaluating, I mean that nobody here is going to hero shoot as it overwhelmingly kills villagers and gives the wolves an excuse to shoot in the towncore. We’ll be periodically re-evaluating our reads and whatnot throughout the match.

B) We are not going to slank.

Anyone who has a very small postcount will be automatically added to the shotlist as we can’t read slankers. This is one of the main reasons why we had way too many villagers in the shotlist in Anime FM as it allowed the actual wolves like Ici and Lendun to hide behind the lowposting villagers.

C) We are not going to mechanically clear people.

Unless you’re an IC, a mason, or greenchecked, then mechanics will not clear you. Wolf-aligned trackers can exist, wolf-aligned double voters can exist, wolf-aligned gladiators can exist. Point is, we’re not going to do like in LotR where we cleared two wolves for being a double-voter and a medium. So your doctor claim will not take you out of the shotlist.

D) Everyone will make reads in the first day.

Same reason as B. The bar to village here will be raised in order to make the shotlist as accurate as possible. I will not accept meta defenses here where you will be excused from making reads just because you don’t typically do them regardless of your alignment. If you can’t name your top three villagers and top three wolves at EoD1 and give a reasoning why, you’ll go to the shot list.

E) We will not claim for no reason.

Unless you’re an IC/Mason under pressure or a cop with a redcheck, then don’t out. We have no idea how is the anti-claim mechanic this match so in order to minimize wolf KP or prevent them from circumventing our night actions then we’re not going to claim nor make night plans. Just check nulls, protect the towncore, and vig in the shotlist.

F) Vigs should follow the shotlists as well.

Ideally Vigs should shoot the CW of a mislynch wagon, but if this is not applicable then just shoot in the shotlist. Don’t hero shoot a consensus village as this is what caused the town to lose SFV.

tl;dr - Let’s actually play well this match.

Also I’m just gonna add that

Having a heated gamer argument doesn’t make you lock town
Let’s re evaluate reads at least once a day
If you have a read on someone say it, even if it’s contrarian
Push your reads and actively use your vote
I’m locktown

@TheBlueElixir

So for a NAI opening I’m planning on creating a plan for us to improve the villaging bar and to avoid the mistakes that happened in JJBA and Anime and instead we’ll play this like NDFM, so in short, here’s what we’re going to do.

A) We are going to create a shots list and stick to it.

I don’t mean blindly adhering to it without re-evaluating, I mean that nobody here is going to hero shoot as it overwhelmingly kills villagers and gives the wolves an excuse to shoot in the towncore. We’ll be periodically re-evaluating our reads and whatnot throughout the match.

B) We are not going to slank.

Anyone who has a very small postcount will be automatically added to the shotlist as we can’t read slankers. This is one of the main reasons why we had way too many villagers in the shotlist in Anime FM as it allowed the actual wolves like Ici and Lendun to hide behind the lowposting villagers.

C) We are not going to mechanically clear people.

Unless you’re an IC, a mason, or greenchecked, then mechanics will not clear you. Wolf-aligned trackers can exist, wolf-aligned double voters can exist, wolf-aligned gladiators can exist. Point is, we’re not going to do like in LotR where we cleared two wolves for being a double-voter and a medium. So your doctor claim will not take you out of the shotlist.

D) Everyone will make reads in the first day.

Same reason as B. The bar to village here will be raised in order to make the shotlist as accurate as possible. I will not accept meta defenses here where you will be excused from making reads just because you don’t typically do them regardless of your alignment. If you can’t name your top three villagers and top three wolves at EoD1 and give a reasoning why, you’ll go to the shot list.

E) We will not claim for no reason.

Unless you’re an IC/Mason under pressure or a cop with a redcheck, then don’t out. We have no idea how is the anti-claim mechanic this match so in order to minimize wolf KP or prevent them from circumventing our night actions then we’re not going to claim nor make night plans. Just check nulls, protect the towncore, and vig in the shotlist.

F) Vigs should follow the shotlists as well.

Ideally Vigs should shoot the CW of a mislynch wagon, but if this is not applicable then just shoot in the shotlist. Don’t hero shoot a consensus village as this is what caused the town to lose SFV.

G) Everyone should have a vote cast by EoD.

Ideally we have this for better analysis of wagonomics.

F again) For the Mafia

tl;dr - Let’s actually play well this match.

Also someone said those were 2 minutes apart but it’s literally post #2 and post #3 when sod went by really fast like the first 5 minutes

idk im pretty sure its 15 seconds at most which make me think there’s no way he took the time to add this

@TheBlueElixir

G) Everyone should have a vote cast by EoD.

Ideally we have this for better analysis of wagonomics.

F again) For the Mafia

tl;dr - Let’s actually play well this match.

and bold it while copying my post

[Mistyx]

I’m very much willing to take it if it helps him let off some steam because he seems frustrated to an almost unhealthy point

[Centuries]

Post isn’t AI but I don’t get the reasoning behind the person calling it NAI

[Aelin]

Hullo, CRich. This has been… interesting, to say the least. I understand that you’re upset - being scumread isn’t fun. But you need to be logical in order to help people see that, if you’re town.

[CRichard564]

As if logic is going to win over someone who scum reads me for illogical reasons.
I’m not stupid you know.

[Centuries]

@CRichard564

who scum reads me for illogical reasons.

from V!Crich pov it makes sense but like actually only from your pov

[Aelin]

I know you’re not stupid, but you’re acting crazy aggressive, man.