EFoL 4&3/4 - Game Thread - Day 5 (5/16) - The Blue Dragon and Scorned are victorious!

[SirDerpsAlot]

I’m taking cap and gown pictures

Exciting

[Nightingale]

I think that when reading Windward it’s best to do in without the pre-concieved notion that being self-aware is inherently wolfy
I myself have yet to perform a close re-read but this is a thing to keep in mind I think

[Nightingale]

@Nightingale

they have a sheer volume of progressions that would be very hard to fake as a wolf

I guess another thing to point out here is that a sheer volume of reads could easily come from a wolf
a sheer volume of natural progressions is far less likely

[SirDerpsAlot]

Alright guys CFD let’s go

[min]

tk don’t target vul

my only request

[SirDerpsAlot]

Bet

[SirDerpsAlot]

D1 is sad

I dislike not being able to snap vote every 4 seconds because I changed my mind

[Jane]

Nightingale

@Jane

@Nightingale

I don’t particularly like that discussion and I feel like there’s a wolf in it
probabalistically, I am correct B) B) B)

I was asking because this sounds like “I think there’s a wolf there but I don’t know who”

@Nightingale

I have a very slight inclination towards Windward here because they feel like they’re perpetually extending the discussion
This isn’t really wolfy at all, I just thought that a single one of their posts were awkward on first read and then leveled myself out of the read immediately afterwards

But this felt like you already thought Windward was the wolf before you posted the previous post.

(Also “have” in the second post sounds like you still have the read while writing the post, while the second part sounds like you already leveled yourself out of it before writing that post.)

weh

@Nightingale

my first impression of the discussion was that it was heading in a weird direction, and was staying obstinately unserious
I saw that Windwand was the one continuing the discussion in that direction

On re-read, I no longer thought that Windward was pushing it in that direction unnaturally, so I no longer considered it alignment indicative

if that makes any sense whatsoever

@Jane

@Geyde

Jane
Can you walk me through your headspace when you interacted with Night earlier

I probed them about the read because it’s very easy for wolves to see an argument and say “There’s a wolf in this” without actually giving a read on the players who are arguing.

@min

They seem like they genuinely are/were worried about the conversation being wolfy. I also liked how they pointed out specifically that they thought wind was wolfy in the conversation. It shows me that it wasn’t just a fake thought thrown into thread and night actually thought about it.

I’ve already said this in my post on Min, but this is basically my conclusion. They had a reason for thinking the argument had a wolf in it, and tried to find said wolf. They also said they townleaned Marl, so it wasn’t setting up a chain of mislynches. I have Night as a solid townread and I’m planning to write another “Why X is V” post on them but I don’t feel like it right now.

@Nightingale

Specifically, their trasition from non-content into content
I feel like this is a spot where W!Wind would be noticeably awkward

@Nightingale

I vaguely like this post tbh
this isn’t how I expect a wolf to talk about transitioning to non-meme content

@Nightingale

Fair enough on CRich

I understand your take on Wind but I liked EFoL 4&3/4 - Game Thread- Day 1 (16/16) - #181 by WindwardAway
W!Wind from their earlier posts feels like they would be an awkward wolf that knows they should make content but have no idea how to
and I don’t think this post comes from a wolf in that particular mindset

with the caveat that this isn’t strong in the slightest I haven’t played with them ever

While I don’t agree with it, I like their progression on their Wind read. They had an idea about how to go about solving Wind, a slot with very little content and used that to generate a read, showing that it wasn’t just to look productive.

I also think that these are villagery posts:

@Nightingale

i have the power of confirming people in either cult or unseen games
social reads go brrrr

@Nightingale

Is running for king a thing that exists
It’d probably be good to limit the candidates to 2-4 regardless so we don’t have gigantic vote-splitting

@Nightingale

being king sounds like work tbh tbh

The rest of the read is just based their good tone.

[Vulgard]

I think Jane is ~fine?
I’m not posting much because I’m really busy this week specifically.

[Vulgard]

@CRichard564

So these are the posts Vulgard made on Wind so far.
He hasn’t elaborated on why he thinks Wind is scum.
Which might indicate they’re partners.
Also I don’t think Wind has mentioned Vulgard at all so far.

This is level negative 1 but town indicative for CRich methinks.

@Geyde

What was going on with you early game

Nothing?
Define earlygame.

@EliThePsycho

hedgelord

Min is mafia

[Vulgard]

@eevee

Since you were so nice to read 15 people to get some reads on them, please now explain your reads.

Yes, all 15 of them.

Eevee is also town

[Vulgard]

Town:

Nightingale
eevee
CRichard

Maybe Jane (might switch this to a mafia read eventually)

Mafia Mercenary: Derps

Mafia:

Windward
min

People have been calling Wazza town but I am not too convinced yet
Withdrawing my read on PKR and shifting him back to null

[Vulgard]

@Nightingale

Min is forwarding the game, isn’t clunky, and is a large departure from any previous games they have, and step away from what I know as their wolf meta

Since you are better at reading min than I am because I have never been town in a game where they were mafia, please explain this read to me by bringing up at least one example from among min’s posts

@Nightingale

Eli is pushing forward more content than any game I’ve seen them in before, and they are doing so in a natural, good-faith way. This isn’t how I would expect a wolf to act when they have a meta of slanking as villager.

This take is fair

@Nightingale

Marl’s tone is insanely different from the two wolfgames I’ve had on them. Like, I called out Marl correctly in Morphogenetics for having a similar tone to GM3. He’s just totally different here, and he doesn’t have a lack of thoughts to reinforce this read. He could very well be a neut. But he’s probably not a wolf.

I like this take as well

@Nightingale

Geyde and Jane are pushing forward the game, and I agree with a lot of their takes, but I don’t see the obvious uninformedness that I see from players like PKR or Min. I still like them, but I have more of a closer eye on Geyde and Jane in particular. They both had good thread entrances, and it’s not like they’re awkward. I intend to monitor their read progression and rigidity going forward.

Completely understandable

[Vulgard]

Nightingale is my top villager at this point
Sorry for getting you attacked N1 by saying this but it just needs to be said.

[Vulgard]

Wazza can be town, I’m just not 100% there yet.

[Vulgard]

@min

tk don’t target vul

my only request

Yikes.

[Vulgard]

Like, actual yikes. I really don’t like this. And it has nothing to do with the fact I’m part of the implication.

[Jane]

Geyde’s progression is very good, they have original takes, a good tone and their solving feels very natural. I should probably just lock them in tbh.

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CRich I’ve already re-evaluated and will reconsider my read on them overnight, after having fully read their wolfgame on MU, as well as their most recent towngame.

@Jane

What game are you basing this on?

Last time I saw them as wolf there were still noticable differences between their play there and their usual village play.

@Jane

Oh.

I haven’t seen that then.

@Jane

Based on a quick skim I’d say the gap between their wolfplay there and their play now is still enough for a confident V-read.

I’ll decide overnight whether or not they could’ve bridged this gap in 4 months.

@Jane

It bothers me CRich didn’t tell me to take Derps/Wazza/Soul out of my box, especially since I said I thought my box was too large.

weh

weh

@Jane

CRich is trending downwards

@Jane

After some rereading I don’t feel comfortable having CRich in my Core anymore.

I’ll decide what to do with them overnight.

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I’m sheeping Geyde on Shurian (that they have paper thin confidence as a wolf) and PKR (#352)

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Amelia’s a townlean based on gut and tone, as they have very little content so far.

My townlean on Eli is largely based on effort under little pressure, which I don’t think they would display as a wolf.

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People in The Box™ are null, with the exception of Marl, who’s a wolfread :^)

[Vulgard]

I’ll be less vague. It’s the type of thing nontown KP says before killing a PoE villager for towncred.

[Vulgard]

Min can still be town if Nightingale convinces me (I have 100% more faith in Nightingale’s min read rather than my own, especially after Morphogenetic Mafia, where Nightingale correctly defended the min slot in our chat), but right now I dislike what they’ve done while I was here.