Fake-claim guide (work in progress)

The most important part of the game for any non-Blue Dragon player, is making sure you aren’t executed when accused or in jail - so you need to work out what to claim to avoid being zapped/slashed with a sword/bruatalised with an axe/set alight/any other execution styles I can’t recall. This list is made mostly with scum in mind (Cult/Unseen/Neutral Killers), but is still useful for any neutral Non-BD role as well. I won’t divert too much attention to the idea of sticking to your original class if converted, as that is usually what you should do. I also will not consider the ‘Fool’ role in this list,as that needs an entirely different topic for strategy - and I will not consider it as a potential claim or ‘soft’ defence. I will grade the claims, starting with the worst, ending in the best.

One last thing. Never claim to be the third of any class. Just don’t.

  1. Scorned
    Seriously? Why not just claim evil? I’ve never seen a scorned not killed upon claiming. Just don’t.

  2. Psychic
    This is a terrible claim. People will expect you to send a message or force someone’s vote to prove this role. If you can’t, you’re dead. Never claim psychic unless you are a psychic or an Illusionist. However, people will also expect you to link minds every night. Expect to die when you can’t anymore!

  3. Priest
    A garbage fake claim now. You will be Counter claimed by the real one (as there is little risk of being killed as it, and it is now convert immune) and the real one can prove itself too easily. Just don’t claim Priest.

  4. Prince
    Another really bad claim. The Prince is unlikely to Counter-claim you (IE: Call you out as a liar publically) and just quietly execute you at night. So although you probably won’t be lynched claiming it, you have little to no chance of long term survival. Also, being unique, if one is already dead, claiming Prince is a death sentence.

  5. Silence
    This is the absence of saying anything. You need to stand there and say nothing as you are voted up and tried. This requires nerves of steel to pull off, and will only work in a game with a confirmed or suspected Reaper present. Best done if you haven’t spoken all day as people might vote you down, thinking you are reaped. Can also work if you suddenly ‘clam up’ as people are voting you as people might think that the Reaper sent a chill down your spine to silence you. However, the risk with the former is that you need to die the following day or be lynched as you clearly weren’t reaped, and the latter is that people may not realise/believe that chilling touch was what happened to you. Also, in both scenarios, people might lynch you anyway ‘just in case’. This claim should only be used if your previous fake role is no longer possible or not believable and you don’t have time to plan a different one.

  6. Drunk
    his class leaves feedback on all it’s abilities so needs to be converted from it to work. Just don’t claim this class as anything other than maybe Alcoholic. Also, with that royal blood passive, you’d better have a good reason to not step up as king.

  7. Mercenary
    This claim should only be made if you are a mercenary or Sellsword who has guarded their target at least once, as this role will leave feedback. Your contract might back you up, but even that might not be enough. Alternatively, you can try claiming this and saying a fellow unseen/cult is your contract, but that again requires putting your team mates at risk should the claim not work. High risk to claim this role in jail, I tend to execute mercenary claims in jail.

  8. Noble
    This is not as bad as it used to be. As nobles live separate lives now, it does not require cooperation from other players to pull off. However, you better have been noisy with the orders ability, or use private maters frequently, or be an Aristocrat because this claim won’t keep you alive for long.

  9. Alchemist
    The recent buffings make this class much better for BD to keep alive. However, it is still a neutral, so when the chips are down and a reaper hunt is on - you won’t survive unless you have provable healings on your side.

  10. Hunter
    This is really not the best claim. This is unique, the real hunter will call you out, and you can’t ‘Wolf’ anyone either. Avoid claiming unless you are certain there is no real hunter in the game, or you are converted from Hunter.

  11. Butler
    Although you can maybe get away with faking this role, it is best to only claim this if you are a Servant or at least one promoted to assassin, or an Invoker or Cult Leader who was one. You can try to claim the actions of a real Butler to force a potential mislynch/escape execution. However, your lifespan would be limited unless Evils win within a day or two. Alternatively, you could try claiming occupying team mates, but that requires them to claim occupied or back up your claim - which is a risk should your claim not work.

  12. Court Wizard
    Court Wizard is a relatively easy class to fake, as magic barrier is the only ‘spammable’ ability. However, this claim is pretty weak and may be picked off for that reason. Also, Observer will know you are lying, so if you are followed you are screwed.

  13. Observer
    The longer the game goes on, the harder this role becomes to fake - as your journal will need to be filled with information, and the more you have to fake the more likely someone will spot a hole in your claim. That said, this is fake-able, especially as Seeker or Nightwatch for a short period of time.

  14. Princess
    A good claim for most scum, especially Seeker or Mastermind since they can use their abilities to build a good journal. For other scum, it is harder to pull off unless using team mates classes to make fake results, or using dead people to fluff out a journal (Note: Journals full of dead people look suspicious) This is not unique, and quite hard to disprove as long as you keep a believable journal. Claiming you ‘wisped’ is hard to disprove, especially if you sent the wisp to a team mate. Bonus points come in the form of you being able to get Neutral Killers called out for being immune to assassin/conversion as ‘Killing roles’ in order to ‘confirm yourself’. Avoid stepping forward for king if you plan to claim Princess as anything other than a Duchess, as people will ask why you didn’t step up during the ‘Royal Blood’ call

  15. Sheriff/Paladin
    Since neither is unique, this claim can work now. Despite that, there are risks involved. You can’t simply claim sheriff/Paladin and then expect peace. You’ll need results and an accurate, believable journal too. If unseen/cult, bus the other (non Mastermind if unseen) player at some point to earn some BD-cred and free up a slot for conversion from time to time. This is harder to prove as a Neutral killing role, so avoid as one of those classes. Also, don’t claim sheriff in a cult game or Paladin in an Unseen game!

  16. Knight
    A fairly solid claim, especially if you are an assassin or Neutral Killer as this will get a Princess off your back. Guarding people is hard to disprove without observer interference, but you better have a good excuse prepared for why key Blue Dragons weren’t guarded if they died. Furthermore, make sure your journal is better than ‘Guarded king night 1/2/3/4/5/6/7 etc.’ as these look scummy usually. Also, as this is also a common scum claim, people are likely to take a risk and lynch Knight claims.

  17. Physician
    This claim can work to get you off the stand, and also the heal action is hard to disprove without an observer watching you or tracking you. However people might expect you to heal anyone if they are poisoned or bleeding. This is the best claim for Herbalist as you can drug people to fluff out your journal better. However, if a confirmed Prince dies, you’ll have some explaining to do. Circumstances depending, usually a good claim.

Do you agree with my list? Do you have any suggestions/strategies to add? Post them below! I hope you find this guide helpful.

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Staying silent in jail always seems to work. Most princes (myself included) assume they are AFK or reaped so don’t wanna risk the exe.

Obviously this only works if you’ve been silent for a few days in chat, most princes will notice that you were talking just moments before and a realise your faking it.

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Actually claiming priest is the easiest claim. Whenever I claim priest princes leave me alone and I’m safe for 2-3 nights and I just buy time for us to get kills.

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Priest is usually bad for claiming on trial. I agree, it can buy you time, but it won’t keep you alive for long. It will probably get you out of jail, but your death is set one day after the prince at the latest unless Unseen win. Also, I tend to say to priests, “Why is not x revived?” Or “Revive x or die”

I remember once I jailed a mastermind who claimed priest night 2 - with no dead, I let him go but was watching them. The next day, a sheriff calls someone out and they claim priest on trial. They are executed and flip soulcatcher. Mastermind died at my hands. If they had claimed a role from 11 - 14 on on my list, they would have lived to convert again. Priest is not good for long term survival.

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I always execute silent people, but I’m also a harsh Prince who executes neutral claims. Again, I’m not denying it can work, but unless you die the following day you won’t last long doing it in jail, and will probably wind up dead. Some Princes are really timid and might buy it, but it is a massive risk

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I exe alch claims but not merc claims, unless the merc is clearly lying. I just get their target in next night to see if they’re good or not.

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You’re too nice.

The only merc I don’t kill is my own one as Prince.

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Welp… U don’t know if he is sellsword or not… So… Maybe execute merc…

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Unless I’m Prince I execute your arse works 90% of the time.

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Can we revive the thread :stuck_out_tongue:

Sure, I’ll need to play some tol, haven’t for a while. Any suggestions from yourself?

Welp, u can claim any class you want as Processor, as it was revamped.

Indeed

being silent gets you killed. Have seen actually reaped people do it several times before, they always die.

Reaped people can’t talk lol

exactly. they were silent and still got executed

It’s not a perfect strat, but it can work

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you will need to end up claiming anyway in dungeon

Probably