FAM Thread 1 (Day 1)

[Aelin]

FAM Main Thread - Day 1 (45/47) - #3860 by Aelin @orangeandblack5

[Leafia]

[quote=“Tangeld, post:7085, topic:88118”]

@Marshal

shes calling out things that look wolfy but are in reality p nai, just like trying to make complicated for dumb lhf-y bullshit and making no townreads at all

Okay, I kind of get this angle, but remember that I also haven’t played on here in a considerably long time. To the specific cases where I tried to make reads on you and on Orange, I haven’t played with you since Dec 2019 and I’ve never played with Orange. And I will stand by my claim that the reads I was making make sense from neutral players. But what I didn’t realize is that those reads were apparently very NAI because that’s just the way you lot play. I’ll accept that the reads were flawed when like five people jump in to tell me that that behavior is NAI, but I don’t think that saying “oh, it’s in bad faith and wolfy” is a fair assessment of it.

@katze

@Tangeld why did u rand nyafia honey

Easy, I didn’t.

@TrustworthyLiberal

It feels like they are playing BoTc not FM while simular are still played differently.

and i feel from their pushes and posts that the BoTc style they presented was likelyier a towny one then wolf.

See, at first glance I wanted to say “Thank you for realizing that I’m coming from a different perspective”, but this doesn’t quite line up. I was honestly trying to make FM-style reads, and reads in Clocktower aren’t terribly different to begin with, so this feels like a weird way to try and explain a townlean on me. Maybe pocketing, or just thought that Clocktower was some different thing; I don’t recall Trusty playing that much Clocktower.

@Blizer

tan hasnt improved in my eyes today tbh from when i last commented on the slot

…Have I posted since the last time you commented on my slot? I was out of thread for a good bit. Wanting to see someone’s play improve makes sense, but this window is odd to me.

@Intensify

Someone gib me quotes from Tan that prove the case on her wagon,

@Intensify

I still don’t see the Tan case and no one gib me quotes or post numbers to prove the case

Intensify keeps asking this and I have yet to see anyone answer him. If I find an answer further down, I’ll addendum this, but the fact that people seem unwilling to explain the case on why I’m a wolf should honestly be a warning sign, since you’d think that folks pushing a decent case against me would gladly restate it thinking it’s enough to convince people.

@katze

my actual answer is “you’re playing differently than most players here play and people inherently find it wolfy/easy to push”

I know this wasn’t talking about me, but I like how Kat says I’m wolfy and then acknowledges this.

@an_gorta_pratai

alright, let’s talk about some other things, why is tangeled and silviu a wagon?

Someone else asks. Will we get an answer?

@KyoDaz

/vote Tangeld to sheep Luxy

Wait… Hold up. Did Luxy ever case me? I don’t think I’ve seen Luxy case me. What are you sheeping here?

@Luxy

I think if we want a reasonably likely wolf flip we should just lynch Tangeld

This came after Kyo saying he was gonna sheep Luxy by voting me, and I almost said this was wolfy, but Luxy’s N0ed and I’m just dumb. Maybe I missed Luxy casing me. When you see this, I’m probably ISOing Luxy to find them casing me.

@Blizer

Tan feels stiff, and their tone shifts unnaturally a couple times through out their progression, mainly surrounding vul and katze. Feels like their reads are forced a bit Aswell personally.

Have I been discussing Kat that much? I know I went after Vul when he tinfoiled me as exactly mafia KP for some weird reason, but I don’t remember mentioning Kat much outside of lolKat claiming masons with me.

@Blizer

Also tans read on luxy looks much worse now with FKs flip

Wait, what the fuck, hold on, I didn’t read Luxy. I would remember reading Luxy. I’m gonna hope you were just thinking of someone else and not putting words in my mouth, but @Blizer please explain to me what you’re referencing with this.

@Luxy

I literally just skimmed it because someone said tan made a case on me (they didn’t) and I was like ew to like half of the posts

Okay, ouch on the commentary on my ISO, but not entirely undeserved. But thank you for also calling out the bad call that I had read you.

[quote=“Luxy, post:6832, topic:88118”]

@Tangeld

No, no, let Vul talk this one out. I wanna hear it. Please, enlighten us, Vul, what is it about my posting that not only is alignment indicative in your eyes, but makes you confident enough to say that I’m exactly the KP? Because that’s a bold read and I wanna see if you’re using the same sort of logic you’ve been using up until now.
[/quote]

YUCK especially to this one

@Luxy

@Tangeld

Fair. On a certain level I’m struggling to keep up with this fucking madhouse. I tried to sink in on Vul’s take on me, but he abandoned that like immediately after I did so.
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Shade

Okay, I see you don’t like these two. My pushing on Vulgard’s tinfoil “because I want to see if he’s using the same logic” was because I thought he was trying to push agenda, and wanted to force him to explain a claim like that because I thought it would show that he had prioritized a conclusion over the reasoning. I mentioned this again later on in response to I think Mist, that I thought he was coming up with the conclusions first and then trying to create logic to defend them. As for the second one, I was calling out the fact that he had backtracked on the read the second I asked for that logic, because I thought that that backtrack was bad in and of itself; he got called out to explain a read and instead just dropped it like a hot potato.

@GGhana

I thought tan was a really good player

I don’t think she’d act like this as a wolf

@Amelia

I don’t think tan has played actual FM in a long time

Okay, this is something I wanna discuss in greater depth in a moment.

@Amelia

I mean I’d argue playing a mash is

Quite different than clocktower

Moreso than regular FM

Never mind, Amelia did it for me. Still gonna touch on it, I have stated in previous posts that I’ve been finding it really hard to keep up with a mash, particularly after the drought of FM games I’ve had. If I prove utterly unable to keep up, I might ask for a replacement, but I’ll be damned if I don’t at least try.

This. I don’t see it ever coming from a wolf.

[orangeandblack5]

oh I see

so you aren’t admitting to rolefishing until after I called you out on it and then you did it more

I’ll take that

[orangeandblack5]

god tier

[Wazza]

okay let’s reformat this.

You argued with me, then I said something that could be said as fishing for/exposing a players flavour that I realised afterwards.

[Whysper]

@Mistyx

he has over 100 posts and only four reads

and he hasn’t been super fluffy he’s been asking other people about content but not making any of his own

Do you think this is enough to prefer him over another wagon like Orange?

[sulit]

Hourly big fat info post

Mech Info

Source	Info
Firekitten	N0 villager check on Luxy (post #482, thread 1) (confirmed by flip)
Marshal	N0 villager check on sulit (post #703, thread 1)
Marshal	2-shot messenger offer (post #6703 thread 1)

Events

Events	Prize
Marshal (Math Event P#3200)	BP vest from math event - claimed to be given to sulit or marshal P#3353
nutella (1610 Event P#1615)	unclaimed
katze (Skibbl Event P#3703)	BPV P#5060
Icibalus (Suprise Event P#5914)	unclaimed P#5989
Marshal (Suprise Event P#5914)	Voyeur P#6353
TL (Suprise Event P#5914)	unclaimed P#5996
Intensify (Suprise Event P#5914)	unclaimed p#6005
Mist (Suprise Event P#5914)	unclaimed P#6202

Flips

PLAYER	FLIP	POST	OTHER
Eevee	TOWN	5903	Modkilled
Firekitten	TOWN	6059	Luxy confirmed TOWN

Shot List (Taking Applications)

shoot until dead

• Silviu

shoot if you want

• Lukundo
• Maxi (vulgard preference: not before astandslot)
• Tangeld
• Orange
• astand → lol - taken off pending second
• Wazza
• Hippo - pending second

[orangeandblack5]

@Wazza

guys I feel like it’s obvious what PKR is.

@Wazza

like how tf has no one caught on

@Wazza

@PokemonKidRyan shut up btw

@Aelin you literally just linked me to more rolefishing

[orangeandblack5]

or fine this one isn’t really fishing

[Mistyx]

yeah because i think orange’s posting has been fine

[orangeandblack5]

but it’s still textbook scum wazza mechanic play

[Blizer]

Im have a couple things to do and then head to bed, wont be on for EoD so

yeah night

[Aelin]

no pkr was just softing like an idiot
thats not really rolefishing

[Wazza]

@sulit

• Wazza

want to help for this.

@orangeandblack5

@Aelin you literally just linked me to more rolefishing

how’s this one fishing
I’m literally telling PKR to stop fucking softing.

[Wazza]

what??

[Arctic]

whysper has probably liked more of my posts than actual posts of her own
this is worrying

[orangeandblack5]

@Wazza

do y’all think the anticlaim is flavour related btw

@Wazza

like a flavour anticlaim?

this is not town!wazza

[Wazza]

no because my flavour is a fucking meme and I want to meme about it.

is that a problem?

[Leafia]

Why’s Hippo onthere?

[Mistyx]

no, this is whysper