[FM] Clown Fiesta Mafia - N7 - Scumciety and Dr. Bright win!

I’ve already said that I believe you are gamer claimvig tried to shoot me and realised I was lying and you thought
lying = scum = partner
Which is why you started to push on Simon about the shot (which was supposedly a lie due to his RNG thing) instead of me who you actually shot with a claimvig day ITA.

I know u say u believe that but u have 0 reason behind it so im not gonna bother engaging with tinfoil logicless theories.

You still havent said why tf i would shoot the person im pushing and the person i thought was antitown.

Im confident Kyo is a neutral as everything he has done is selfpreservation - including his push on me, the main person shading him.

Anti-town? Your own opinion, that’s fine. However

This means I’m not allied with them. And they’re evil. So why would you want me hung?

You’ve said multiple times that you think I’m a neutral. And that I’m an evil neutral. Why would you try to
hang a person the scum literally want dead based off of the assumption I’m an evil neutral? Hello? I’m not a neutral as well.

Because it’s a claimvig. If I was Prosecutor as I was saying which you believed was a heavily town-sided extremely powerful neutral you’d want it gone. Also, I claimed rebound was a night ability. You’d not have your scumteam deal with me in the night.
If I was your scum teammate you’d know I was lying and you thought

Which is why you flipped your push on me onto Simon to try and save me because you thought I was allied with you.

Im showing u why ur argument is flawed from ur pov if ur telling the truth holy shit.

This is from ur pov. If ur town this is what u should think so believing i shot u is indescribably silly.

And i had been sus of Simon from the start it is obvious I used the gun shot as an opportunity to reaction test Simon.

I do believe that relatively; however this again

It’s a claimvig. A claimvig. It doesn’t work if I was lying. Worst case scenario for you you’d think you would learn I was evil neutral/scum (if lone wolf), best case scenario you just ended an extremely powerful heavily townsided neutral.
You had no reason not to shoot me.

If you are scum here you had no reason not to shoot me in that situation. You’d also have the opportunity to push Simon here (which is why I disagree with everyone voting him, since I scumread you).

Okay that claimvig part is true and it would make sense but theres still nothing to suggest it was me over any one else - that legit applies to everyone.

Im not voting Simon either im on Alice lol

There is. You’d have the motive of pushing Simon instead. It’d give you an excuse to push your vote away from me who you’d believe was your partner. You were the only one voting me at the time and you could have had me lynched.

So its a tinfoil theory. You are fitting the evidence to what u want. I could have done that fancy Simon play like you suggest but theres no logical reason for anyone to think that.

Hippo away

Keep ur vote on me if u want. It wont get anywhere.

evil neutrals are strictly against the town. the standard NE wincon reads “Live to see the town lose”
and before y’all call me out, im anti-neuts-out. not neuts-in. Neutrals that are good for town are a thing that can happen but its just as likely if not more for a completely random neutral to not benefit the town at all, and thus deserve a lynch.

honestly? hippo does that. and even so he put his reasoning afterwords. he can disagree with you and try and dismantle your argument while also not thinking you’re scum

ngl
i havent seen anything pointing at you being town but i havent seen anything pointing you at scum or at neutral so :man_shrugging:

its a lie because he was reaction-testing me or something, trying to get me to claim neutral. rng thing is real.

witty post without real content #1
its not his opinion, its what he believes to be true. theres an important difference between the two, being that an opinion can easily be disregarded (“its just your opinion man you can have it but you dont have to force it on me”) whereas someone else’s version of the truth generally has to be addressed in order to be put away.

This means you arent in the same faction with them* and they’re evil. you may still be anti-town. aswell, he isnt pushing you with that post, your mistaken on his intentions. he’s showing you why your argument that he shot you is wrong, which doesnt necessarily mean he’s pushing you with that post.

the only confirmed claim-vig style kill we’ve seen is the spell, which also copied abilities. scum dont need neutrals dead, but killing a neutral to gain what they believe to be acceptable losses is completely plausible.
specifically for that last line, the fact that you know your own role is inadmissible evidence

Im not actually disagreeing with this argument, but didnt you just question why hippo could think you’re an evil neutral if the scum wanted you dead, only to give an argument for why said scum would want you dead?
:thinking:
another thing, wait he would know you were lying in the first place? so then, in this hypothetical, why would he shoot you if he would know you were lying.

‘lying = scum = partner’ is something i doubt would go through hippo’s head. he’s been around here long enough to see quite a few town fake claim, so he would hesitate when he saw someone lying like that.

but why? why go through all that? just start fading away from that lynch, fading toward me, and when someone asks, use some evidence for my being scummy (which hip would have to have whether he used that method or not), say that his reads have changed, and now im his most scummy target.

It’s not a tinfoil theory. You have nothing to suggest it isn’t likely. The only thing that I could imagine anyone bringing up is the fact we’re relying on the shot being claimvig. You also claimed the shot and then realised that was a bad idea.

  1. Warlock has a claimvig. That means the scum faction has at least one claimvig we know of.
  2. The bullet did not kill anyone. Nobody is claiming to be shot and nobody is claiming to shoot anybody. This is because the bullet didn’t hit anyone as it was a claimvig.

nothing to suggest it isnt likely doesnt mean anything

lack of evidence against is not in and of itself evidence for.

Kyo, stop. I don’t buy this and no one does.

Your reasoning is backwards.

Hi, Magnus.

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its logically invalid and i cannot stand by and let that happen