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I am demonstrably capable of writing wallposts as any alignment
I am demonstrably capable of writing wallposts I don’t believe in
So why do you keep pushing the lack of a carefully layed-out wallpost as AI
this is not a rhetorical question
the worst part is, if you’re town you’re not even going to learn from this, you’re never going to think ‘hm, maybe wolfreading someone for being dissimilar to a wolf game was a bad idea,’ you’re going to think ‘wow, I was right on Kyo, my gut is really good, why is Arete being so ~mean~ about the fact that I’ve ignored or misinterpreted literally every point they’ve made all game’
…and as I write this line of course I find myself thinking ‘maybe I was wrong about Gorta’s alignment’
but like
I don’t want to believe they’d be this bad as wolf
I don’t want to believe they’d be this bad as town, either, but the fact remains that I do
arete
I think you are 100% right in this conversation
but please like chill a little
maybe just sleep
this is getting kinda scary and I don’t particularly like it
This isn’t like a AI thing I will say that up front
I’d say this regardless of any of anyones alignments including my own
I agree with you in the argument but you seem super tilted and I want you to please just relax and don’t let the game get to you
This isn’t an alignment to alignment thing
this is a thing I, marshal, am saying to you, arete, just like as a friend
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I’ll admit your passive-agressivity was like funny at first
but it’s getting bad and kind of mean even if I agree with what you are saying
and you can say like “haha TMI” or fucking whatever I don’t care I just don’t want to see you like this anymore
So please like take a break or whatever I get how frustrating being misrepresented is but you are normally a chill person and I don’t like what’s been happening
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I get that
being told a meme about a confident wolfread was preflipping and that you were wolf for trying to discredit an incorrect scumread on you was uh really fucking annoying
and like I agree with you on the argument, the reasons presented against you specifically from gorta are not good and you have disproven them
I don’t think it’s specifically AI because i’d expect you to be frustrated at bad reasons against you as either alignment (I do think it is again super not-w/w) but I understand that it’s frustrating
Please just like don’t let it get super aggressive, you can attack the poor quality of the reads and the case but it is getting slightly personal and I don’t want that and I think nobody does.
I don’t know what or if insistence in sticking to the case which has been basically proven wrong says about gorta’s alignment
I’d say villagery at first but staying with it is wolfy because now it’s just an unjustifiable read on someone that is still there anyways
but then KyoDaz existed
but kyodaz at least conceded that his read on me and kat was NAI even if he was caught lying multiple times anyways
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I really don’t know what goes on in your head when you play this and I can understand the actions a player takes, but being a gut reader I don’t usually try to analyze every move someone makes unless I heavily SR them and I have tried my best to understand your plays. I don’t know why you (successfully) tried to push a villager that was obvious town over the shody claim of said towny having TMI. I don’t know why you had that weird push on Marhal/Katze d1. I really don’t, but in my opinion those actions lead to you being a wolf more times than town. I acknowledge that I could be wrong, but the last time I second guessed my read was lynched much later and was the actual wolf, so that’s why I am so insistent here.
That argument only really applies if you were alone, as you have a partner who might disagree and make a better read and y’all kill that
You have all the reason to push against us because we are the ones pushing you the hardest and we won’t back down. If I was a wolf in your position I would do anything I can to discredit said slot.
and it was a weak case that was an obviously bad execution
If the reasons are good it doesn’t have to be super pretty, just functionable and I don’t think your case was good and FMPoV it looked like you were pushing a bad execution on purpose after someone started pushing you
If for some reason you are town and I was the driving force behind your execution I would probably add that to my experience and try to improve because you don’t get good at this game by just blindly taking whatever without some self-reflection and after thoughts. I also haven’t ignored your points, I just think they are poor. FMPoV I am trying to avoid another Anstreim type thing here and I hope you can understand that post game if you are town. I had a accurate gut read on Ans, but I didn’t pursue it and town lost. I am trying to be a bit more trusting of my gut here
How?
I don’t see how it has been proven wrong and I feel that my bit on Ami has practically been ignored, but I don’t want to be the one who concedes when he has a strong feeling about someone being a wolf and then losing because said person was actually a wolf and I second guessed myself.
If you are a wolf I wouldn’t be surprised, but I don’t think it’s likely
I mean the “you never explained nap TMI” thing was like 100% proven wrong
and like I think
My points don’t get less valid just because I make them spread across multiple posts.
is like a sufficient counter-argument to what you are saying about arete never casing kyo
if someone drops a bunch of weak/unexplained reads, sure, ask them to make a wallpost case
but arete had clearly spent a lot of time giving a detailed case on Kyo
As far as i’m concerned I think that your reasoning on arete is weak
There isn’t much I actively scumread them for even
I’m just trying to make sure that my reasons for clearing them aren’t bad
also I don’t see how me having doubts about arete (in LyLo, where I specifically said I would be doubting everyone) is AI for arete or an argument for your case and i’d appreaciate you don’t use me trying to figure out if my clears are valid as an argument that arete is wolf because that… doesn’t make sense? It almost feels like it TMI’s me town and I could see wolves looking at it from the angle of me seriously doubting arete and not just trying to solve motivations
I am probably just tired
He was not obvious town for FUCK’S SAKe
EVERY REASON PEOPLE HAD TO TOWNREAD HIM WAS TERRIBLE
AND YOU ARE IGNORING. EVERY. OTHER. REASON. FOR MY READ
IF YOU AREN’T GOING TO ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO ANY OF MY POSTS WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING
hey remember in Marblelympics when you called orange/sloth/Beeboy/Nanook/Duk3star W/W/W/W/W on D1
and they were all town
and you literally never reevaluated your read even after orange chainpushed like three consecutive wolves including two PRs
you realize that wolves have a way of getting rid of players who inconvenience them right
nightkills
they are a thing that exists
you are aware of this fact
and
this thought DOESN’T EVEN MAKE SENSE
because I have been actively trying to prevent your slot from being exe’d
like
do you really think anyone cares what I say about the quality of your play this game
do you really think I believe that anyone cares what I say about the quality of your play this game
Fuck off.
If my case was weak you’d have been able to refute it beyond ‘maybe the reason he’s openwolfing is because you’re tunnelling him.’
If he was an ‘obviously bad execution’ you would have been able to explain the townread that I asked you, and everyone who shared it, to explain, because maybe you were seeing something I wouldn’t.
Your reasons for townreading him were correct but quite frankly they sucked.
Marshal I want you to know that I went downstairs and got a snack and when I came back I still felt like saying this.
KYO WAS LITERALLY OPENWOLFING HOW IS THAT NOT A GOOD REASON FOR FUCK’S SAKE
What does “someone like me” mean
why does this make arete more likely wolf
why can’t I just be wolf who’s like faking progression or trying to justify an arete push or something
@an_gorta_pratai I want all 3 of these answered
Arete I want to talk to you for a second
Ignore gorta
why do you think the nightkills clear you especially since you are aware of the fact
I think that the orange/sulit nightkill spews me town but I haven’t really brought it up because I don’t think self-clearing off of this is that good
I get that you JoaTread me/kat
your posts indicate that
and It’s something I think you have going for you, you treated me like a joat, but I didn’t die.
But I want you to explain why “I never WiFoM my nightkills and orange townread us” is a good reason
because like “I never do x thing as wolf” can be easily abused (see: poisonous) and there can be different motivations to killing them besides them townreading you and wanting to WiFoM it (strong townread of us, so never really MLable, and orange and sulit have both demonstrated skill in recent LyLo scenarios)
so i’m not convinced it’s a good reason and i’m not convinced you think it is either
because I believed you were JoaT, and the fact that I believed you were JoaT is visible in how I handled your slot D1, and I don’t, actually, think I could fake that perspective on your slot
and because I don’t do the whole ‘WifoM your nightkills and kill people who townread you,’ like, if you read through scumchats I’ve been in + nightkills I’ve made literally every nightkill I go for is either on someone scumreading me/my teammates or something PR-related
you were in Candlelight, you know this 
the latter is less applicable because if I were scum I would have a partner who orange might be more likely to actually case? but if I were scum you always die N1