[FM] Geyde PFPs Joat9 - THE LYING DARKNESS AND FIREMAN WINS (2/2)

[TheBlueElixir]

thats not very cash money of you

[an_gorta_pratai]

I have read Nappy’s ISO and I don’t think Nappy is a wolf here tbqh, as this is how Nappy has acted in his last few town games. I could make a case on that, but I think Blue has already done that.

@Arete @Ami present your case as to why Nappy should be hung

[sulit]

Grumble grumble.

I don’t really put much effort into reading Arete and usually save them for later. I’m usually like “Yep that’s fine. Ok Arete’s fine.” And if they’re still alive later I’ll put more effort into it.

So I don’t really have any other reason then Arete fine.

[Napoleon]

@an_gorta_pratai

@Arete @Ami present your case as to why Nappy should be hung

I’ll give you their case.

[quote=“Arete, post:348, topic:82543, full:true”]

@Napoleon

@Ami

It feels way too forceful and dominating compared to town!Nappy
[/quote]

I bet you’ve also only read like three of my posts on accusing your slot, this read is superficial.

this discrediting of Ami’s read on you when she … hasn’t said anything about how many posts she’s read … is wolfy

you discrediting it in this particular way while claiming to scumread us is wolfier

like

if you think that we’re scum

and you think that Ami’s read is superficial

then the logical conclusion would be ‘Ami’s read is superficial (because she’s scum),’ not ‘Ami’s read is superficial (because she’s not reading my posts)’

and the fact that you jumped to the latter makes me feel like you have TMI that our slot is V

/vote Napoleon

@Geyde a VC would be nice

This is called, “I found a new reason to scumread Napoleon because he’s pushing me”.

[Napoleon]

@Arete

Fun fact

Since I started seriously pushing Nappy he has precisely one post (P#579) that contains a read that is not either a read on me or based on a preflip of me

this is wolfy both in the sense that an extremely narrow focus on the game is a pretty common wolftell for intermediateish wolves, and in the sense that focusing on one single person when you know you’re going down is a fairly common tactic to reduce spew

loooooooool

[an_gorta_pratai]

I will post an Arete ISO in a bit, but Nappy is acting like his town self from the last few games I have played with him

[Arete]

Summary

@Arete

Dat kinda wolfy (posts feel fake + hedgy)

@Arete

@Wazza

First of all, as hit pardner, I would like to know what posts of his seem fake.

@DatBird

None of them have any meat or substance to them. RVS votes, generic phrases, NAI written before rand message, like cmon Im not asking for much especially those that jumped in later. Be bold people, if ur town ur town. Dont have to hide it in ur first post

this one was the .5

@DatBird

This post is just inherently bad. Like blanket villa read, no science no nothing. Its like ur calling them bad at FM which just rude, and village at a arbitrary number percent… No forethought to it. Why do u read them this way?

@DatBird

I have seen these type of plays not from Nappy but both from town and scum, and usually its like a rt to see how one deals with a bit of power more than anything.

these two felt kind of fake

@Wazza

Why would that lead to a vote on him?

Because I think it’s wolfy

@Wazza

We’ve already gotten close to a quick hammer in the first hour of the game because everyone was meme-voting/voting extremely early.

Why is this only a concern you expressed when I voted Dat, and not when anyone else in the game voted anyone else

also ‘voting is bad because it could lead to quickhammers’ is an take

@Arete

IIRC I was literally the first vote on your slot

why is your response to that ‘WHY ARE YOU VOTING US WHAT IF SOMEONE QUICKHAMMERS’

@Arete

separately I think that you asking such an incredibly pointless question is wolfy

@Arete

I think that slot is kind of meh

a lot of Dat’s posts seem like fillery content that doesn’t really advance the gamestate, like the sort of thing I write when I’m scum and can’t figure out anything to say

and Wazza’s posts earlier were kind of

[sulit]

I still want to lynch Dat but now I’m lazy and just waiting for orange to get on so he can call me an idiot.

[Napoleon]

Thanks for the post. Still think your wolf, so I have another question.

If you know I’m a villager, why should I reconsider your slot assuming you are a villager too?

You’ve been literally defending yourself by arguing that I’m a wolf, not that you are a villager.

[Napoleon]

@Marshal

/vote nappy

Honestly Marshal, if you want to maintain your scumread that you decided to make 10 posts in, then I think that only my flip will convince you otherwise, assuming you’re a villager.

[TheBlueElixir]

I dont like this post

urhg

[Napoleon]

What… defending myself using an … “objective pre-flip”?

[TheBlueElixir]

@Napoleon

Honestly Marshal, if you want to maintain your scumread that you decided to make 10 posts in, then I think that only my flip will convince you otherwise, assuming you’re a villager.

this post

me no likey

its just accepting that ‘hey, your tunneling me’

[Napoleon]

@TheBlueElixir

this post

me no likey

its just accepting that ‘hey, your tunneling me’

That’s what he’s been fucking doing for the entire game.

He’s not going to reconsider unless he imagines a scenario where I’m villager to him and then re-looks the game.

[katze]

Might ISO DatBird later, but this took a lot of effort/willpower and it was an only 25 post ISO

Wazza ISO

@Wazza

I just got out the bath smh.

@Wazza

/vote The Scientists

gg

@Wazza

…I hate it.

@Wazza

Marshal copy and pastes something from scumchat:

I kind of feel like this specific post is shade disguised as a meme

@Wazza

By the way, apparently Dat won’t be here, he’s mowing the lawn.

Now I’m going to stop wasting posts since I forgot about the post limit.

ISO starts off with memey posts, a vote in RVS, and then he stops when he realizes he’s used 5/150 posts in the first few minutes.

Meh.

Probably NAI – although the fourth post is the tiniest bit of

@Wazza

/unvote

God damn I blinked for two minutes, I just meme voted those two and now I have to waste a post unvoting.

This unvote is like

I feel like it’s mildly performative

Don’t really need to make a huge deal over an unvote less than an hour in the game

@Wazza

@Geyde

Fun Link {won’t ruin your day probably}

Why is this relaxing?

@Wazza

shoot Dat is going to kill me with the amount of posts I’m wasting. Damn.

Dat is mowing the lawn still, hngh. Anyway,

What’s even going on right now?

This isn’t even post 10 and it’s the second time he’s been like “haha, im posting too much!” and… I don’t know how I feel about that?

As for the yellow part: READ

@Wazza

@DatBird

he be clean, but boring

wow, can’t believe you said that about me.

“i should stop wasting posts”
“yeah im posting too much”
posts this

@Wazza

I also had to keep telling him that it wasn’t his fault we did bad lol

and this

Although at least this has… some resemblance of relevancy.

@Wazza

@Arete

/vote DatBird

Excuse me, I exist.

And I would like to know why you’re voting my friend?

@Wazza

Unexplained votes annoy me.

Explain your vote. And fast.

I remember when I was skimming DatBirds ISO earlier that he was pretty defensive

I don’t really like the overall defensiveness of this slot, but I actually don’t hate this line of two posts

Maybe I’m thinking too hard about this, but I think the green parts come off as someone trying to understand another players thought process

This isn’t something that wolves can’t do, as he could be a wolf trying to figure out why hes being scumread and it’d probably come out about the same, but I’m vibing with the “and fast” part, honestly?

I feel like that nuance of it comes from town more than not, it feels more like they’re prepared to catch a potential wolf off guard than trying to get a villager to explain their scumread on wolf!Wazza

@Wazza

First of all, as hit pardner, I would like to know what posts of his seem fake.

Additionally, if you check his posts, you have to check mine, they aren’t good but you still have to put that into context.

@Wazza

Second of all (Sorry about splitting this post I pressed send too early hngh)

Why would that lead to a vote on him? We’ve already gotten close to a quick hammer in the first hour of the game because everyone was meme-voting/voting extremely early.

These posts exist

The yellow part is giving me very mixed feelings

I almost feel like its wolfy self awareness

But I don’t get why a wolf would include that

but why would a villager?

@Wazza

@DatBird

yall always hate my day 1s for no reason. Read CFM same shit happens every game tone feels off, or some stupid shit and then three people hop on, do the parade and make me feel terrible. Gonna try and ignore this

Dat, please leave the thread. You’ve just gotten here and you’re already angry. Get to our rolecard and stop ignoring me, would you? You’re just getting us both annoyed.

@Marshal

dat is a villager nobody hurt him ever

That’s my job, heck off.

I have a weird take that as a wolf, Wazza would probably spam ping Dat in scumchat rather than post about this in thread

@Wazza

Players who are using their posts wisely:
Arete

Players who are wasting their posts:
Literally everybody else, including me, especially with this post.

I hate to say it, but y’all need to act more like Arete this game for once and calm your posts. Put multiple things in a blockpost or even wallpost. You and your partners share posts so keep that in mind before you waste everything.

This post is weird

I don’t think it’s AI

but I don’t know why it exists because its not like anyone was super spammy at this point?

@Wazza

Dude, I’m giving you one last chance to get into the rolecard with me instead of wasting our posts in this chat being annoyed as hell. Stop ignoring me. We’re partners in this game and you’re ignoring me because you’re annoyed with the thread.

Last post I’m wasting on this.

I have a weird take that as a wolf, Wazza would probably spam ping Dat in scumchat rather than post about this in thread

I have a weirder take that the fact they posted this again is probably villager AI

I’m pretty sure Wazza has spam pinged me in scumchats before and I don’t really see why he wouldn’t do it here

but I don’t think he cares about his self image here at all

because this is a weird post out of context

@Wazza

@Arete

Why is this only a concern you expressed when I voted Dat, and not when anyone else in the game voted anyone else

I already posted a post on concern about this on the post where I literally unvoted the almost quickhammer?

If this weren’t Wazza I’d say that this tone likely comes from a villager but it’s Wazza and I don’t think it’s AI in this case

@Wazza

@Arete

why is your response to that ‘WHY ARE YOU VOTING US WHAT IF SOMEONE QUICKHAMMERS’

That…wasn’t how I responded.

I expressed concern that this might derail into the same situation that Marshal and Katze fell in when I voted them earlier.

Not: OH MY GOD WE’RE GONNA GET QUICKHAMMERED OMGWIBRUWERQIWNEUIQNWE

Please, read on my posts before you make accusations of my intentions beforehand.

Kind of the same case as last post, tbh

@Wazza

@sulit

Wazza seems to care more about being townread then actually solving.

Not done that at all, and if I was, I would say I did, but I’m not.

@sulit

As soon as he starts posting he keeps yelling about getting close to hammer and posting too much. He seems way too concerned about the above than… actually solving.

Because it was a problem yesterday.

@sulit

In Ritual the first thing I see is “Why are you hardclaiming D1?” and, “Stop the meme votes.” Granted there’s some solving here but I still see some of the same thing. And if I remember correctly he tried to derp clear himself, again aiming to get townread over solving.

I don’t do derp clears on purpose, they’re always accidental for me. But I don’t recall any derpclearing in RM4.

@sulit

In Vanilla Nightless he immediately starts talking about the rolelist and tries to derpclear himself. There’s some “solving” here (attacking Vulgard his scum partner). “Why are you voting someone with 2 votes already?” Then worried about post amounts.

This was actually unintentional and caused a panic between us scum because of it.

@sulit

Breaked open Hydra JK and immediately notice he’s way different. He seems way more laid back and unworried. More memey. Does not give two shits about being townread.

@sulit

To confirm this I hunted for another game, found FoL 27, same thing.

These games were a while ago.

See games like FoL 28 where I played as Feathering.

I should actually probably skim Hydra JK9 to see how this hydra pairing interacts

I remember scumreading them a bit in that game (they were a villager)

I still find it hard to believe the Vanilla Nightless ‘derpclears’ were an accident but you’ve been insistent about that for a while, and IIRC you had a small derp in RM4 but not one to the absurd extent as Van.Nightless

From what I can remember from FoL28, your tone as Feathering was different from what I remember from past Wazza games, but… thats the point of alting, nerd.

Plus you were a neutral with no wincondition for most of that game.

Conclusion: I wanna do a shorter dive on DatBird later to get a true conclusion, although Marshal insists that he’s an obvious villager. Probably still gonna do that later anyway, cause Marshals a nerd.

Wazza has a few posts, but still overall I get towny vibes

[Napoleon]

AlsoArete, your point about me tunnelling is a bad point because I was a vanity wagon.

[Arete]

@Napoleon

If you know I’m a villager, why should I reconsider your slot assuming you are a villager too?

You’ve been literally defending yourself by arguing that I’m a wolf, not that you are a villager.

Nappy

I literally don’t need to towncase myself when you’ve been doing it for me

every time you try to actually write a case on me you’re like ‘okay this part is villagery but Arete is still a wolf for calling out my TMI’

@Napoleon

this is a new take and i suppose at the time, it indicates slight V, though Arete can fake this.

@Napoleon

On reflection, not a terrible response that I made it out to be at the time - still glad I questioned it though.

@Napoleon

There are a couple reasons why this could have happened from a V!Arete

it’s almost like you’re trying to case someone who you have TMI is town

and failing because, despite going out of your way to misrepresent things as much as possible, you can’t twist them that hard

and like

I don’t need to defend my slot

when the points you’ve made against me are:

• Arete did a bunch of things that I (Napoleon) self-admittedly don’t think are actively wolfy
• Arete called out Napoleon for his blatant TMI
• Arete pointed out that a useless filler question was a useless filler question

[TheBlueElixir]

when I didnt particularly think that was the case

least didnt think he said anything about your slot recently besides the vote

@Napoleon

He’s not going to reconsider unless he imagines a scenario where I’m villager to him and then re-looks the game.

Im p sure he voted you as an RT for me so

I guess that exists

maybe you have a different PoV about it

[Marshal]

@Napoleon

@TheBlueElixir

this post

me no likey

its just accepting that ‘hey, your tunneling me’

That’s what he’s been fucking doing for the entire game.

He’s not going to reconsider unless he imagines a scenario where I’m villager to him and then re-looks the game.

Do you really think that the only way i’ll see you are town is with your flip?

walk me through that

if you are town do you think there’s no chance I get out of the tunnel? why?

[Arete]

@Napoleon

AlsoArete, your point about me tunnelling is a bad point because I was a vanity wagon.

My point isn’t that you’re tunnelling

My point is that you’re literally ignoring every other slot