[FM] Henry Stickmin Vig10er - Game Thread - Government (Town) Wins! (3/10)

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Thanks ^^

[illumin8]

@min

I am here, and will post a little bit before I sleep. I’m coming with an open mind an no more of a funnel on arctic.

Can someone direct me to a few reasons why people scumread light? Im going to iso appel, as they’re someone who’s been talked about today as well.

You keep doing this when I’m on my phone xD

Some bullets:

• Light’s EoD was very bad, especially if Arctic is a villager, which I am believing quite a bit more recently.
• Light came into the Day with an agenda in mind. Read our interactions at the start of this Day. My words were misconstrued in multiple ways, and I truly believe it to be in bad faith. Along with this, there were many questionable reasonings behind his takes that I don’t quite see from a town mindset.
• I see nearly everybody else as more villagery than him, other than gorta.
• He has not contributed or put in an active effort to solve the game today. It’s quite impossible for me to change my mind if he does not exist. After his first post of the Day, and his response to Appelsiini regarding his current PoE, he has been almost entirely defensive.

@illumin8

@Aelin

Marl’s play was way too stupid to come from scum

You… don’t go for a one-for-one there as scum, because if you win the thunderdome all that guarantees is you’ll die, and if you win, obviously it wouldn’t follow through. Besides, tunneling is… kinda Marl’s thing.

Why did you not expand on any of this yesterDay? Your words don’t quite align with your behavior at EoD.

@Aelin

Hnnng

The only thing stopping me from voting Arctic is his wall post on Shurian
Just because I can physically see where his tone starts to change as his read changes

@Aelin

My phone is deciding it doesn’t want to do spoilers but oh well

Basically, this is what I was referencing earlier
You can literally see where he goes “oh my read might be wrong oh shit” and you can feel his thought process change
I feel like Arctic is strong enough as town to do that, and I can’t really think of any reason why scum would do it

@Aelin

Okay

so, this is a pretty good post and I can definitely understand most of it
of course, there’s an obvious problem for me but I’m more interested in the thought process

@Aelin

Yes, I know, and I can follow your points, and I understand how you got there even if you ultimately came to the wrong conclusion in some places

@Aelin

I’m really not comfortable with this

@Aelin

I think Arctic is town for reasons I’ve stated earlier. I’m more iffy on Marl, but I don’t think flipping both makes sense regardless.

@Aelin

You keep saying this

what’s the solve if you guys are T/T

@Aelin

If Arctic is W, who’s his partner?

And Arctic, if Marl is W, who’s his partner? Cause I can tell you it ain’t me.

@Aelin

Finally something that I can get behind. I think there’s a decent possibility that Marl and Arctic are T/T. I’m more confident on Arctic of the two, but… still.

You state you aren’t comfortable with it, yet never state why, don’t make a giant effort to move things elsewhere, then coast after placing your vote on Jane

@Aelin

I can’t remember who, but I remember someone said Shurian/Min can’t be W/W and I really disagree with it. Regardless, I would like to hear a bit more on why Jane thinks I’m V because he really just hopped in, said it and then said nothing more about it. Don’t really like how Appel went “I’m TR’ing Light” to voting me for pressure within just a couple minutes, either. I can follow what you’re thinking pretty easily, even if you came to the wrong conclusion. Shurian overall has been weirder than usual, which I didn’t realize was possible, but…

@Aelin

I feel like that’s kinda faulty considering Clown Fiesta was easily one of my worst scumgames, but alright.

These are the last quotes I can find regarding Jane

You disliked both me and Shurian at the time, yet voted with us

Why not attempt a CFD onto one of your scumreads if you were confident in the wagons being V/V?

I have entered the world of confirmation bias and will need to take a step back to see things clearly, but I am having a hard time understanding this cognitive inconsistency!

Here is my take regarding his EoD

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@illumin8

You keep doing this when I’m on my phone xD

Thanks

Also, phone is the main platform I use for discourse so I’m used to it >:)

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I swear this is the last time I’ll change my pfp for a while, any conveniences I will Uhh bake Internet cookies to make up for it

[Arctic]

the way appelsiini is more dismissive of my push/questioning than defensive makes me think i’m probably right for the wrong reasons

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I do not think they’ve been dismissive

[Arctic]

i do

and this happened more with my first case too

it’s more just saying i’m a bad or ‘wacky’ player and shrugging it off rather than an actual defence

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@Appelsiini

All of Arctic’s questions about my takes are based on misassumptions
I wasn’t alone in scumreading Jane, they were a consensus scumread, so I don’t really understand why you’re specifically trying to single me out

Go ISO me and come back when you’ve done so, your push makes no sense

This was a defense and it was not insulting your play

[Arctic]

the first part is addressed to everyone else and the last part is effectively telling me to go away

it’s passive

[Arctic]

they aren’t trying to convince me i’m wrong, they’re trying to convince everyone else

because fmpov there are 2 wolves in light, appel and gorta

[Appelsiini]

@Appelsiini

Did you read my whole take on Marl? If you’re questioning why I didn’t vote them, you should ISO me since it doesn’t seem like you’ve done that.

Would you mind quoting the posts where I’ve paired Light with someone else than Marl?

Your plays are wacky regardless of your alignment because you’re trying to push me without even reading my posts, and being confused about it is not dismissing you as a bad villager

I’m waiting for you to read my ISO, answer the questions mentioned above and see whether or not you still conclude your push is valid

[Appelsiini]

I’m quite pissed at losing my wallpost, so I’ll just rewrite it when I feel like it

Adios ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[illumin8]

I am going to sleep

In case you hammer while I’m asleep (!!!please don’t!!!) I have a few requests:

1. Regardless of the flip, nobody is to vote immediately tomorrow! There is potential for us to be in a LYLO situation. Even if we are not in one, we should treat it as such, and not make any rash decisions.
2. @min if the wagon flips green, please holster. If you shoot a villager we lose the game overnight. If the wagon flips red, I greatly suggest shooting the slanker who also has partner equity as he has proven to be useless and unreadable. (an_gorta)

If the day is still going when I wake up, I will repost this closer to EoD.

My preferred wagon is Light, and I believe he flips wolf more than anybody else currently.
I also find Arctic’s recent conviction to be villagery, even though I’m not sure I agree with his analysis. He feels… stubborn? I will have another look in the morning.

Good night!

[min]

Probably won’t hammer

I’ll sleep too, gnn guys

[Aelin]

Wowee
Taking a break from game design and here for a bit

[Aelin]

sigh
it’s only 3:27 AM

[Aelin]

God
I’m trying to read and my head is just… falling apart

[Arctic]

i’m going to school but i will when i get back

i’m also waiting for you to answer why you answered marl’s game with gorta yet you haven’t been pushing him

[Arctic]

if it makes you feel better i don’t think you ever flip green

unless i’m wrong about illumin there are 3 wolves in you/gorta/appel

appel/gorta are never aligned so you’re in both possible teams

[Arctic]

@Arctic

appel/gorta are never aligned

actually
this depends on what answer i get from appel