[FM] Mafia Academy 1 - Mafia Victory

I’m using one post off my current shitty PR just for this. Do it.

Give a wallpost, there’s only one person saying wallpost is hard for their eyes and I don’t think you should just accomodate them. But… you’re already probably way above your PR if you had one, so just go on and list every single point in many different posts. I’m doing a wall post with contents after 100.

I do agree that wallposts are excessive this game, but with the PR I have currently, what can I do? Lose my vote yes XD.

Alright, so, in the actual world, nothing gets done. You’re going to thunderdome yourself with a villager, flip yourself villager, and what sort of info do you get? Nothing, town is two lynches down and nobody is cleared, so what is the point?

If you’re gonna lynch us you’re lynching us because you think we’re a mafia.

If you have some sort of “wow we’re the safe lynch for info” I’d like to counter that accusation.

I actually disagree with my hydra partner here and we covered this privately, and I think it’s worth me talking about it here for a few reasons. Marshal, your reads suck. Your reads suck because you have a predetermined way of reading people that generally end up wrong, and the main purpose is that you do this:

  • you set up a situation that invokes people having to react
  • you think privately in the meantime about how town and mafia should react
  • you then tunnel confirmation-bias on people who react wrongly using whatever contextless reads you can make.

And to note: you being town is also a situation where people have to react. So while your reads aren’t based on OMGUS in your mind, the only reason why you’re drilling this down is because people reacted to you.

Probably the biggest flaw in that playstyle is that, to start off with, reaction tests are pretty bunk. There’s not really a standard wolfy reaction, and villagers are definitely likely to react in what people consider wolfy ways, because villagers don’t actually care about what they’re posting. So half the time, whatever reads you initialize are faulty. Then you pad it with stuff to make you feel more comfortable with your read.

Consider that.

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/Force eevee to open their door and let the fox in while petting it

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Marshal, you got anything to say to this?

Is this a slip or a reaction test :thinking:

Pet the damn fox eevee!

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The big bad wallpost of why arete’s collective slot is a nerd and should be killered:


Disquieted:

Wolf mindset: “I have to start strong, I need to start in a funny, witty way to get some early town reads”. Usually it’s just good enough to start with a default “hi”. But the awareness of being a wolf tends to get to the player and force him to make some mistakes when he opens.

Trying hard to come across as funny and relaxed/being very helpful (and focusing your early activity exclusively on one of those things):

i know i shouldn’t rely on this guide alone, but this fits the bill for scum start. This doesn’t actually do much for the game but look townie.
[Not a great look for the opener.]

After being shaded for the opener, disquieted says they will be asking a lot of questions and that’s just how things go. While i think the rest of it(im in a mentor role etc.) is fine, i haven’t really seen anymore questions from disq and that felt just like covering.

I find it weird how you are townreading kai for agressivly fluffposting but your hydra has scumread me for fluffposting when mine has been a lot less agressive. Tbf, this is a personality quirk of kai’s, but i don’t see this wisdom reflected in arete.

I get wanting to push inactives for reads, but why not… Jake/Mononukalice? Or chemist? or Firekitten?
Derps actually has posted a decent amount so i don’t really know why derps in particular here.

kinda werid post but im gonna just ignore this as reading this doesn’t really get much.

Here comes a large part of my dislike on the slot. Before this, there had been 4 posts posted(all filled with a decent amount of contetn. However, at this point, disq starts making a lot of posts and actually interacting with people. I suspect this is because of my slankvig. Disquited confirmed they knew about it, and it’s pretty clear that this hyperposting is going on out of fear of my slankvig. I just wonder why arete would mention it to disquieted at all? Like “Marshal claimed slankvig who goes for under-ten-posters, better start posting” is somthing that goes in a scumchat, not a hydrachat.

I don’t see this as consensus. I am scumread by many people, so is nerbins, and pkreistess has some advocates. I want the reasoning on why you found this ocnsensus

Disquieted has also been trying to townread, but discredit me. I will follow up on this later.

This was me BTW

Just want to say that my comment got one like and disquieted’s got 4 even though we said the same thing and i said it first :frowning: feelsbad.

I don’t think i’ve been putting you in a catch-22 here. Your other posts were thought out(albeit scummy) and spread out, but now you come on and start posting a ton of stuff, likely because arete told you about me and you know i’m the likely shot here.

You are not the “easy vote” or “safe vote” I am risking a lot going for you.

This is just genuine criticism of my playstyle, and while that’s fine and all, it also does a great job of discrediting me. The strategy seems to be arete hardpushes me and disq discredits my pushback.

I don’t really have the motivation to do an Arete ISO but here’s the disq one.

I don’t find disq as scummy as arete but i defenitely do see scummy peices and this isn’t gonna stop me from being lynched.

This is neither. i’m just used to saying claimvig.

So your excuse is that you mistakenly said claimvig?

I’m sure you can see why I’m a bit skeptical of that.

I truly feel like this slot has the best chance of flipping scum.

Otherwise, i think it’s gonna be me and i don’t want that.

Imma be off for a while.

Im not gonna play it off as a reactiontest. It’s the truth, i have typed that word a lot more often and it comes more naturally.

I have been simultaniously defending myself with a sword with one hand while pressing everyone else with a sword with the other. Im beat. Please listen to logic.

Oh and one last thing.

The whole “kai calls me and preistess TvT after i claim” is exactly what happened in LotrFM when arete and i were scum and pushing on alcie.

Alice claimed, and i immediately went to "oh alice and arete are TVT. lets push neither.

Now im really off for like an hour

ive been too busy bumpin jik to read thatw all post but i assumne it held good points

Alice has posted? I must have missed that

bruh

Okay i lied i should really be getting off but im an addict.

This was an exapmle from lotrfm.

Well in my eyes there’s two possibilities.

A: The classic freudian slip

B: A genuine mistake due to constant posting

I don’t know which I think is more likely, honestly. Like I said in my big wallpost, you’ve gone up and down on my scum scale.

/force @eevee to let me chase the damn fox

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Scumslips are a joke, the answer is probably B.

I think you’ve missed something, Marshal; what I’m saying is that I disagree with Arete and think you’re more likely town with bad reads. I feel like we may have a fight about our vote - but I guess my opinion doesn’t matter since I’ll be ceding my influence to Arete either way, so I guess this whole part is irrelevant. I kind of want to push on something we agree on instead, like DatBird. But we’ll see, Arete doesn’t know how to push someone he’s already pushed, at deadline.

Other things to respond to are that if you’re remarking on my posting style, I highly prefer real-time interaction and haven’t got any of it this game and hence aiming for that was important for me; in addition, I am nowhere near hitting my post limit for this phase, so I don’t really care about conserving posts at this point.

SO why do you want to push on me?

Uh, no, I haven’t been scureading you for fluffposting and I’ve been townreading Kai for the same.

This is really obviously a misrepresentation of what Disquieted is doing. Like, if you actually read their post, they specifically call attention to the lack of content in Derps’ large volume. I personally disagree with the Derps read based on meta but you’re ignoring what Disquieted is actually saying here.

…given that I was the one pushing you in the first place this is kind of :eyes:


You also never answered my post responding to your accusations that Priestess was lying, I know you said you were leaving but if you have the chance before you go I’d really like an answer.


Geyde had a thread tempo read on you earlier (basically, no one was pushing on you despite you being a relatively easy push and a lowposter with activity tells) and given the lack of people jumping on that/etc., I tend to agree with that thread read, like I explained earlier.

but i dont get that, why does no one jumping on a push on me make me scum?

I’d prefer Arete to answer this, but I guess I’ll do it myself as an example.

You don’t seem like you’re pushing anywhere. This is especially egregious since votes are hidden but you’re just existent, you’re not actually doing anything. I guess you’re playing like me? But at least I have the excuse of not actually wanting to play this game conventionally. You just… exist.

You’re here to ask questions that looking at your ISO I’m not sure what you’re getting from, and you’re not… doing anything.

That’s my take on it. I think Arete has a similar take that’s influenced by Geyde and he’s a bit paranoid about that and I’m trying to walk him through that as well.

just trying to relax this game, but i guess I cant.